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Old 11-12-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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In socialism, people pay for a safety net, usually in the form of taxes. And when it comes to health care, the older population (always high risk) has to be supported by the healthy to help compensate for the costs. And with the health care costs where they're right now, do you seriously believe everybody that is a part of medicare has paid enough so that they've paid for their care for the rest of the life? Nope. We all contribute to ensure they get covered and I'm glad we can. "Free market" would eat these very same elders alive.
The post I replied to said "free Medicare." Thank you for re-affirming Medicare is not free.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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When its children who suffer the most? As a healthcare professional, I was reading an interesting blog. As a peds nurse I see many children who can't this or that done because there is no funding or they get rejected by insurance companies,meanwhile an elderly person who is 98 and on a ventilator ,and non responsive(brain dead) is getting her 5th. Hip surgery? Isn't that hip surgery unessesary at this point,meanwhile a child of 5 who is alert and has muscular dystrophy gets denied a wheelchair (and medicaid insurance) when they have a better prognosis than the elderly client? Or an elderly client who gets social security on top of getting a 3000 dollar pension and free medicare but we deny medicaid to the child who has cancer because the parents make 2000 a month?"""


Hey just ask those anti-choice people...they say that ALL costs will be covered by CHARITIES!!!! So just ask charities to pay the costs!
NO problemo!


"""" Tell me your opinions please
Oh LOOK! Another "Let's get those big Gas OVENS ready for these unecessary old folks" PROPONENT!


Hey I got a question, OP.

WHO is the "WE" in the title? Got a turd in your pocket? "Cause "WE" don't pay for MY health care ...this elderly person, who's not ready for the gas chamber, pays for their own health care costs!
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:42 PM
 
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Yes,I know that.
However,this is where the discrepancy comes in.

Little John,who is 7 and suffering from muscular dystrophy,gets denied Medicaid because his parents make $40,000 a year.

Meanwhile, Mary,who is 90 and has dementia, has her 3rd hip replacement because she constantly gets up,even when staff at the nursing home told her to call for help.
Its against the law to restrain a resident both chemically and physically,plus there isn't enough staff for her to have one on one care. She will also receive physical and occupational therapy,even though its highly unlikely she will walk again.

What's the difference when both can't be cured? Why deny one and not the other?
In my state, John should apply for SSI, as muscular dystrophy is generally a reason for SSI. When a child collects SSI they automatically qualify for Medicaid in this state.

How did Mary get a surgeon to operate on her? Most I know wouldn't do a 3rd hip replacement on a 90 year old.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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They've long outlived their usefulness.
This describes some of the people who are occupying Wall Street.
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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why do we pay for so much healthcare for the elderly?


That's like asking why do we pay so much for education for young people?
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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Default why do we pay for so much healthcare for the elderly?

It's very simple, Because they deserve it. Without them we wouldn't be here, without them we wouldn't exist. I love the elderly, we will never the expereances they have had.
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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It's very simple, Because they deserve it. Without them we wouldn't be here, without them we wouldn't exist. I love the elderly, we will never the expereances they have had.
We spend a ton of money on beginning or life and end of life care. Also a ton of money on traumas that should be called the second they enter the trauma bay.

As for the elderly, they've worked (in most cases) their entire life. They've paid into medicare for years.

Infants- what gets charged vs. what gets paid are two different things. The hospital and state eat the cost in many cases so they're paying a 'shop' rate vs. the marked up cost the insurance carriers see.
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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When its children who suffer the most? As a healthcare professional, I was reading an interesting blog. As a peds nurse I see many children who can't this or that done because there is no funding or they get rejected by insurance companies,meanwhile an elderly person who is 98 and on a ventilator ,and non responsive(brain dead) is getting her 5th. Hip surgery? Isn't that hip surgery unessesary at this point,meanwhile a child of 5 who is alert and has muscular dystrophy gets denied a wheelchair (and medicaid insurance) when they have a better prognosis than the elderly client? Or an elderly client who gets social security on top of getting a 3000 dollar pension and free medicare but we deny medicaid to the child who has cancer because the parents make 2000 a month? Tell me your opinions please
Because we, as human beings, don't euthanize people like we do pets. Older people are beloved by their families. The families insist that all heroic measures be taken to prolong life.
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