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When did Bill Clinton rationalize McVeigh's actions? When did he blame Limbaugh for OKC. I'd like to see the quotes? Limbaugh has actually blamed Clinton, I've given you the links to his own page, nothing out of context there. Limbaugh isn't just "some poster on C-D" he is probably the most influential pundit on the tea party circuit. If not, he is in the top 3.
Clinton didn’t rationalize it. He assessed blame. He stated then and has now again stated that talk radio (and Rush in particular) set the stage for McVeigh by creating an atmosphere of hate and paranoia.
he assessed blame.
Which is no different than what tea party people are doing (assessing blame) when they suggest that McVeigh’s actions were in response to the government botching the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents.
An assessment of blame is not a rationalization.
you cannot rationalize the irrational.
It is simply a lie to suggest that the tea party is rationalizing the OKC bombing. It is perfectly within reason to debate and discuss the actions and events that led to the OKC bombing.
Clinton wants it to be about right wing talkers making America paranoid. Many on the right suggest that it was the misdeeds of the government that set him on that path. There is a valid debate to be had but characterizing those that see McVeigh as acting out due to actions by the government are not rationalizing. They are assessing blame.
Lets have a debate and end the stupid vitriolic attacks.
I don't give a crap if it was legally obtained or not. They had no right to break into someone's home for having guns without identifying themselves.
If that is the case, please don't ever let me catch you contributing to a single thread about the "real" meaning of the Constitution.
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You liberal lap dogs need to realize people are getting real fed up with our rights being taken from us they were made rights for a reason no judge or court can take them away or throw them away at their whim.
That must be why liberals like George H.W. Bush resigned his membership with the NRA.
As I stated before, don't speak about the Constitution unless you have a clue as to what it says.
Clinton didn’t rationalize it. He assessed blame. He stated then and has now again stated that talk radio (and Rush in particular) set the stage for McVeigh by creating an atmosphere of hate and paranoia.
he assessed blame.
Which is no different than what tea party people are doing (assessing blame) when they suggest that McVeigh’s actions were in response to the government botching the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents.
An assessment of blame is not a rationalization.
you cannot rationalize the irrational.
It is simply a lie to suggest that the tea party is rationalizing the OKC bombing. It is perfectly within reason to debate and discuss the actions and events that led to the OKC bombing.
Clinton wants it to be about right wing talkers making America paranoid. Many on the right suggest that it was the misdeeds of the government that set him on that path. There is a valid debate to be had but characterizing those that see McVeigh as acting out due to actions by the government are not rationalizing. They are assessing blame.
Lets have a debate and end the stupid vitriolic attacks.
Let's truly define the Tea Party then, and let's stop attacking the people who believe along the same lines as they believe. Let's see what the people are mad about and attack that subject in a positive or negative way rather than attacking the Tea Party who are a group of individuals who all have their own personal reasons for supporting the movement, but the movement has a set of beliefs that all members agree on. Let's debate the policies because the media does have an agenda for making the Tea Party look racist ect. Maybe it's to shut the truth up about the anger that lots of Americans do have. We have to debate the policies not the people who have an opinion.
Actually, after the Clinton government murdered all those people at Waco and Ruby Ridge, McVeigh was born.
What a shamelessly ^^^^ inflammatory statement. Are there no depths to which conservatives will not sink to attack government and liberals?
You do know that Waco was the reason Timmothy McVeigh said he bombed the fed building in Oklahoma City, don't you? Are you trying to "inspire" someone else to domestic terrorism?
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I see you have nothing to offer but outrageous, unfounded accusations which are only meant to cause a fight, so I'll put you on ignore. I hate trolls.
I see an evasive answer, a sidestep of the question. Upton asked for a simple yes or no answer to his question. And you respond that the question indicated a "troll"? What's so hard about answering Upton's question?
Several years ago, one of these groups (a lesser known one, don't recall the acronym) raided the office that a friend of mine worked at. They burst in - during business hours - trashed the place, and ran out. They caused thousands of dollars in damage. Their reason? They thought (they were wrong) that the company, which is a software development company, was working with a specific animal testing lab that the group regularly targets.
These groups are classified as domestic terrorist organizations by the FBI. But we haven't heard a peep from Upton about them - maybe we should assume that since he hasn't denounced them, he must approve of them.
Upton, you obviously support terrorism!
(do you see now how stupidly idiotic your logic on this matter is now?!)
Did the people who "burst" into your friend's office kill anybody? This thread is about the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, the largest domestic terrorism attack in the U.S. to date.
Did the people who "burst" into your friend's office kill anybody? This thread is about the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, the largest domestic terrorism attack in the U.S. to date.
I see that you watch MSNBC and are listening to the people in the White House as both work so hard to discredit anybody, especially the Tea Party movement, who doesn't agree with them.
If you want I can suggest a report about what was said often on MSNBC yesterday to try to get people to see that the Tea Party movement is trying to make McVeigh look like the good guy. I don't watch MSNBC for this very reason but did read some transcripts from them this morning and found more reason not to watch that group.
You miss a lot by limiting your exposure. You could have heard Timothy McVeigh's own voice telling YOU what motivated him to do what he did, as well as hearing in his own words and voice him telling you and all of us the details of how he planned the bombing, talking about his experience in the military, telling about his experience when he got out of the military, and the details of how he and Nichols actually BUILT the bomb themselves, plus, finally what he intended to accomplish by blowing up that building and killing those people.
However, I see from your above post, that you are very, very careful not to allow your brain to be exposed to anything which might be contrary to what you WANT to believe. Good luck with that thinking. Your negative bias toward MSNBC cost you a little slice of direct information from the terrorist's mouth.
I don't really care what Lincoln did. However, I am concerned about people out there who think like McVeigh did. And it's abundantly clear that there are unfortunately a number of people out there these days who think that violence is the way to make their voices heard and the way to "change things" ....... McVeigh was stunningly delusional and confused, and yet he was able to twist his thinking to a point that he ended up believing that he was a "hero" for what he did......he boasted 168 to 1! No doubt there are other "young men" out there today who are believing the bs being spouted on talk radio and Fox every day, and at some point, one of them or several of them, will decide that they have to resort to violence to "save their country" .......while Rush, Sean, and Beck laugh all the way to the bank.....and the "patriots" and militia groups drool with envy. Little minds who want to make a "big impact" by doing some killing in order to "show government."
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