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If you care enough to check rather than just blabber gun dogma,
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workin-hard linked you to a website containing suicide statistics says that he/she has been checking. notice that you failed to link to supporting data of any kind for your claims in this post.
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you'll find that with the exception of those using guns, suicide attempts are rarely successful.
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that is true. somewhere between 10-20 people attempt suicide for every one that succeeds. but that doesn't even remotely back up your next statement.
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Assuming that people who don't have guns will commit suicide by some other means is unsupportable with data,
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by and large, that actually is supported by data. the very fact that millions of people across the world commit or attempt suicide with methods unrelated to firearms supports that supposition.
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but people often refuse to accept the truth.
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i find it ironic that you were accusing someone else of "blabber gun dogma" earlier, when the entirety of your post is merely a partisan-polarized sound bite.
the truth is that the invention of suicide long predates the invention of firearms, and that people
will use other methods if firearms are not available. in germany, where firearms are more restricted than in the US, other forms of suicide are more prevalent.
Failed suicide attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
despite their tendency to not use guns in suicide attempts, germans still have a suicide rate similar to the US (9.4 per 100k, as compared to 11.1 per 100k).
List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
though the united kingdom has a smaller overall number of suicides per capita, other methods (hanging, strangulation, suffocation, and drug poisoning) are predictably filling the void. during the 1990s, hanging, strangulation, and suffocation accounted for almost half of male suicides in england and wales.
National Statistics Online - Health Statistics Quarterly (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/article.asp?ID=1538&Pos=4&ColRank=1&Rank=176 - broken link)
what does that mean? clearly, that when firearms are not available, people
do use other methods. people find the means to do what they want to. they don't all use guns, but they sure manage to keep up, don't they?
in japan, europe, and other places where guns are restricted, methods of homicide also reflect this fact: where guns are not available, other methods will be used to similar levels of success.
if someone really wants to commit homicide or suicide, the lack of a firearm is not enough of a deterrent to stop them. it happens occasionally that they will wait or abandon their plans, but usually they just find another method.
and lastly, the actual intent of the person attempting to commit suicide is a large factor in determining the success of the venture. as it turns out, death is not the only desirable outcome from a suicide attempt.
many suicide attempts boil down to bids for attention, though it cannot be stressed enough that any suicide attempts are dangerous and require serious familial and professional support.
strangely enough one study found that "suicides attempts are more likely when future income may be positively affected by the attempt, conditional on survival." if a person survives the attempt, they are statistically likely to receive compassion and care from others, and a pay raise at work.
userpages.umbc.edu/~marcotte/economics%20of%20suicide.pdf
suicide attempts for attention, compassion, and financial gain (as strange as it may seem) are less likely to be performed by firearms, trains, and other more sure ways of carrying it out. those cases are more likely to see drug overdoses (generally 97% ineffective as a method of suicide), wrist cutting, and other methods.
other interesting numbers on the subject:
The economics of suicide. - By Charles Duhigg - Slate Magazine
Suicide Statistics at Suicide.org! Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics!
Clinical Depression, Separation Anxiety: Allan Schwartz, Ph.D.
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The homeowner was fighting for his family's and his own life, and that made him a more dangerous critter than these cretins could handle.
