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It absolutely can. Racial derogatories used in the commission of a crime put the actual crime into the realm of civil rights violations, which in turn has its own penalties and punishment. The actual crime is irrelevant. But once you utter a few words, you've shot yourself in the foot. Furthermore, many people have been charged with a crime for using racial slurs. Look it up. How's that for "free speech?"
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Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC
Liberals won the right to burn the flag on the grounds of free speech, but the first utterance of a racial derogatory can get a person put in jail. Liberals love to tout free speech until its one of their own with a bullseye on their forehead. So yes, the Liberals have completely hijacked "free speech" in order to propogate the limp-wristed ideology that (embarrassingly) forms the foundation of their social construct.
//In o ther words, you admit your original claim was false.
Haha, that reminds me, when I was down in Myrtle Beach, I had breakfast, which was very good by the way, at a place called Tar Baby's Odd thing was, none of the many patrons of color there seemed to mind either.
Your argument is completely illogical. Hate speech in the commission of a crime can be a factor at sentencing, but there has to be a crime committed. No crime = no offense I'm sure since there are "many" you'll be able to list 5-10.
Teen charged with racial slur at Wal-Mart | St. Louis Globe-Democrat (http://www.globe-democrat.com/news/2010/mar/20/teen-charged-racial-slur-wal-mart/ - broken link)
A racial slur, in the commission of a crime or not, can send you to jail. You make it too easy. Why do you set yourself up for defeat when all you had to do is Google my claim? I believe its pretty obvious who the "illogical" one is here.
I was hoping one of your links would include the hatred that is being directed at Muslims for exercising their free speech to threaten the life of cartoonist. You should be supporting those Muslims rights, and I have not seen that.
So what liabilities or actual damages have "hate" vibrations of air caused at any point in history? I can understand, to some extent, slander that may cause actual damage in business and the like, but "hate speech"? Hurting people's fragile egos, offending them, is hardly an initiation of force. An actual direct threat, I can understand, but that is not what the censors of this world are screaming about, and there are already laws against this.
Except that true hate speech does more than hurt anyone's ego. It is usually used to rile up the by-standers and get them involved in actually physically harming the target. Or it's used after the commission of the crime to incite fear in the victim and anyone like him/her. Such as, when a gang attacks and kills or nearly kills a gay man, they make sure it is known that the fact the victim is gay is why he was attacked, in an attempt to incite fear in any other gays in the area. Just calling a gay man a 'f****t' is not hate speech, but screaming it out while beating the man to a pulp, would be.
I was hoping one of your links would include the hatred that is being directed at Muslims for exercising their free speech to threaten the life of cartoonist. You should be supporting those Muslims rights, and I have not seen that.
You misconstrue my point. I don't support racial slurs. I don't support threats. I'm merely pointing out that "free speech" is not exactly "free speech." Those who thought that the use of racial slurs was completely penalty-free needed a bit of an education, and that's precisely what I did.
Except that true hate speech does more than hurt anyone's ego. It is usually used to rile up the by-standers and get them involved in actually physically harming the target. Or it's used after the commission of the crime to incite fear in the victim and anyone like him/her. Such as, when a gang attacks and kills or nearly kills a gay man, they make sure it is known that the fact the victim is gay is why he was attacked, in an attempt to incite fear in any other gays in the area. Just calling a gay man a 'f****t' is not hate speech, but screaming it out while beating the man to a pulp, would be.
I have no problem with people retaliating against a direct threat. How it is "usually used" is generic and unrelated to an actual crime. Individuals who actually initiate force against another should be retaliated against.
Beating a man to a pulp is a crime. Calling him a name while doing so is not. We can agree to disagree.
You misconstrue my point. I don't support racial slurs. I don't support threats. I'm merely pointing out that "free speech" is not exactly "free speech." Those who thought that the use of racial slurs was completely penalty-free needed a bit of an education, and that's precisely what I did.
So, your issue with hate speech applies only when someone can't use racial slurs on their face, threatening or not. Otherwise it is okay to construe a speech as hate speech (as the example you were given suggests).
I have no problem with people retaliating against a direct threat. How it is "usually used" is generic and unrelated to an actual crime. Individuals who actually initiate force against another should be retaliated against.
Beating a man to a pulp is a crime. Calling him a name while doing so is not. We can agree to disagree.
Live and let live.
Do you think FCC should not enforce what can and cannot be spoken in the media? After all, free speech protection should imply no regulation of any speech, or a form of expression.
Where do you draw the line? What criteria do you use, besides someone physically beating someone up?
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