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Old 06-06-2010, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You know if Obama wanted to help save whales he could stop American whaling. My guess is since only Indian tribes are allowed to do it he would have a ton of historical precedence for the president acting unilaterally on the matter too.
The Makah Whale Hunt was a disgrace.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:33 PM
 
Location: NC
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Wow. For once I agree with Sanrene. Obama is very wrong on this issue.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Disgraceful if Obama backs this deal to lift the ban. We need stricter anti-whaling policies globally. Japan et al get away with going around the ban by saying they only hunt whales for 'research' purposes. Bunch of BS.
Only Japan does the "research" whaling on a large scale currently (in the past even the US did it to make a stockpile of whale oil), the other countries lodged protests and are not bound by the ban (the IWC is entirely non-binding anyways). Japan lodged a protest but under pressure went to the "research" whaling.

In many ways this is the result of the sea shepherd eco-terrorists creating international incidents, now even the anti-whaling countries want to take away their basis for acting.

As it is, under the proposals, only non-endangered whales like the minkes will be hunted on a small scale, which will end the hunting of some threatened species. One thing some forget is the whaling ban was a moratorium, a temporary end, passed for the purpose of allowing study of the populations before resuming commercial whaling. this is lost on some who don't understand it was never intended to end whaling as the anti-whaling activists would like it to.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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This may be just semantics, but how do you illegally exploit a loophole in the law? If there is a loophole, would that not mean that you are legally exploiting that loophole.
It's not illegal, the IWC takes part in issuing the permits to hunt the whales, it's only illegal in the minds of some animal rights activists...
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: NC
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This may be just semantics, but how do you illegally exploit a loophole in the law? If there is a loophole, would that not mean that you are legally exploiting that loophole.
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It's not illegal, the IWC takes part in issuing the permits to hunt the whales, it's only illegal in the minds of some animal rights activists...
You illegally exploit a loophole by claiming you are whaling for research only to have the whale meat you collected end up in commercial eateries.

DNA Testing Finds Endangered Whale Meat in Restaurants | Wired Science | Wired.com
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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You illegally exploit a loophole by claiming you are whaling for research only to have the whale meat you collected end up in commercial eateries.

DNA Testing Finds Endangered Whale Meat in Restaurants | Wired Science | Wired.com
The IWC regulations require it be sold rather than go to waste.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:46 PM
 
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The IWC regulations require it be sold rather than go to waste.
Possession or sale of whale meat and products is forbidden under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:48 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Possession or sale of whale meat and products is forbidden under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species.
Nope, as I said, the IWC requires the meat be sold on the open market and not go to waste.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:49 PM
 
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Nope, as I said, the IWC requires the meat be sold on the open market and not go to waste.
Yes it is read the article I linked.

"Killing sei, fin and minke whales was outlawed by the International Whaling Commission in 1986, and trade in their products is forbidden by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species."
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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Yes it is read the article I linked.

"Killing sei, fin and minke whales was outlawed by the International Whaling Commission in 1986, and trade in their products is forbidden by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species."
That's the moratorium on commercial whaling from 1986. It does not apply to whale meat from research whaling sold in the country in which the research is based out of (i.e., the whale meat can be sold in Japan but not exported). Dig a bit deeper than that article...
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