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I do agree. I really don't think Andy Dalton is all that bad. Too many times, especially when it comes to the quarterback, fans think anyone not named Brady/Brees/Mahomes/Rodgers is some easily replaced guy who would just as well be served to either be cut or go to the XFL. A lot of moving parts when it comes to circumstances surrounding any one player, particularly a quarterback. I'm sure not too long ago if someone projected Ryan Tannehill to be the quarterback to have a team one step from playing in a Super Bowl, he/she would have been mocked and caricatured somewhere on Twitter. On that front too, I didn't consider Tannehill to be a lost cause ither: good arm, but pocket presence was terrible, and he made immense strides under Adam Gase until the two devastating injuries.
I do wonder how we'll look back on the Class of 2020.
A good example, I think, will be that Class of 2012 that Tannehill was a part of.
#1 Luck - Retired. Solid career. Injury issues.
#2 - RG3 - Backup. Injury issues. attitude issues, likely.
#8 - Ryan Tannehill - Wild career. Started well. Injuries, second life, apparently with new team
#22 - Brandon Weeden - Out of the league. Browns. Enough said.
#57 - Brock Osweiler - Heir apparent. Quick flameout. Out of league.
#75 - Russell Wilson - Who saw this? Franchise QB. Headed towards being a HoFer
#88 - Nick Foles - Super Bowl Champion. Never started 16 games in a season
#102 - Kirk Cousins - Jury still out. Solid, but "Can't win the big one". Quality QB tho.
#185 - Ryan Lindley - Thrown to the wolves in Phoenix. Never recovered.
#243 - BJ Coleman - Who?
#253 - Chandler Harnish - Mr Irrelevant.
11 QBs.. 2 superstars (Luck and Wilson).. 1 solid QB (Cousins).. 1 deal that just defies explanation (Foles).. . 1 resurrection (Tannehill), 2 career backups (RG3 and Osweiler) and 4 never-weres.
I do wonder how we'll look back on the Class of 2020.
A good example, I think, will be that Class of 2012 that Tannehill was a part of.
#1 Luck - Retired. Solid career. Injury issues.
#2 - RG3 - Backup. Injury issues. attitude issues, likely.
#8 - Ryan Tannehill - Wild career. Started well. Injuries, second life, apparently with new team
#22 - Brandon Weeden - Out of the league. Browns. Enough said.
#57 - Brock Osweiler - Heir apparent. Quick flameout. Out of league. #75 - Russell Wilson - Who saw this? Franchise QB. Headed towards being a HoFer
#88 - Nick Foles - Super Bowl Champion. Never started 16 games in a season
#102 - Kirk Cousins - Jury still out. Solid, but "Can't win the big one". Quality QB tho.
#185 - Ryan Lindley - Thrown to the wolves in Phoenix. Never recovered.
#243 - BJ Coleman - Who?
#253 - Chandler Harnish - Mr Irrelevant.
11 QBs.. 2 superstars (Luck and Wilson).. 1 solid QB (Cousins).. 1 deal that just defies explanation (Foles).. . 1 resurrection (Tannehill), 2 career backups (RG3 and Osweiler) and 4 never-weres.
I am always baffled by this. I dont get how people didnt think he could possibly succeed. He wasnt tall enough? Well, he succeed at NC State and Wisconsin. They dont play with lineman in the ACC and Big 12? Scouts perceptions were blinded by size. I dont get all of them right, but I would have nailed this one if I was a GM.
Yeah, the benching of Dalton for Ryan Finley was terrible. I think the Bengals have to draft Burrow. Native son that probably wants to play for them? At QB? No brainer. Plus, he is one of those picks that if he doesnt pan out, no one would blame them for taking him...
That is a really good point...
Look at the Bears, move up in the draft to take a 1 year starter at UNC who couldn't even beat out guys that never played in the league...they will never live that down and it will likely haunt them for years to come
Pass up Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes....
I could almost give them a pass on Mahomes because I don't think many saw him being SO good in the NFL but Deshaun should have been a no brainer 1st overall QB pick....
I am always baffled by this. I dont get how people didnt think he could possibly succeed. He wasnt tall enough? Well, he succeed at NC State and Wisconsin. They dont play with lineman in the ACC and Big 12? Scouts perceptions were blinded by size. I dont get all of them right, but I would have nailed this one if I was a GM.
Success in one thing. The LEVEL of success is what has surprised me.
It is a 100% lock they take Burrow. He is an Ohio kid, ranked #1 on every draft board, they need a QB, he won the Heisman, he had some of the most impressive single season passing stats in a season by a QB, and all the Cincinnati fans want him. Even if for some crazy reason they didn't want to take him, at this point it would be a PR nightmare not to.
Yeah, the benching of Dalton for Ryan Finley was terrible. I think the Bengals have to draft Burrow. Native son that probably wants to play for them? At QB? No brainer. Plus, he is one of those picks that if he doesnt pan out, no one would blame them for taking him...
It made sense for the Bengals to play Finley. Test the waters and see if he had viability as a starter or keeping as a back-up. Dalton's future was already a lock.
One general contention I have with his draft analysis.. why would a pro team care where a great prospect grew up (?) Would the Bengals pass on Burrow if he was raised in Indiana, instead of Ohio (?) To me, a player's state of origin always seems like a stupid, media talking 'point'.
One general contention I have with his draft analysis.. why would a pro team care where a great prospect grew up (?) Would the Bengals pass on Burrow if he was raised in Indiana, instead of Ohio (?) To me, a player's state of origin always seems like a stupid, media talking 'point'.
Where he grew up.. Everyone has a connection to their hometown, and their hometown team. if you grew up a Redskins fan, your dream was probably to play for the Redskins. How does this matter to the team? well.. You grew up a Redskins fan, you'll probably be a little more flexible when the time for a contract renewal comes around.
Some players, it's 100% a business and that doesn't matter a bit. But.. Some, it does.
as to his football future.. I'm concerned, to be honest. Or, more accurately, have some concerns.
Now, don't get me wrong. What I'm going to mention doesn't mean anything at all.. Certainly not saying I'm right.. Just.. Something I've noticed. And even if i'm right in what I noticed, doesn't mean I'm right that it'd turn out bad.
I'll also say, even with this, I think I'd still take him.
he's done a few things that... Just concern me. First, the whole thing with OBJ handing out money.. How he came out the next day and said "I'm not a student-athlete anymore".. yeah, but half your teammates are.. And you just tossed them under the bus.
I've seen other things that he's said that.. I really had a feel that we could be looking at Johnny Manzeil level arrogance. The NFL will chew arrogance up and spit it out quite quickly.
And one other thing that rubbed me wrong. When they were talking about where he would be drafted.. He came up with a response along the lines of "He didn't care, so long as they paid him".. Which gave me some concern he isn't playing for love of the game, but for money. And concerns me about whether he'll be willing to put in the time and effort required in the NFL.
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It is a 100% lock they take Burrow. He is an Ohio kid, ranked #1 on every draft board, they need a QB, he won the Heisman, he had some of the most impressive single season passing stats in a season by a QB, and all the Cincinnati fans want him. Even if for some crazy reason they didn't want to take him, at this point it would be a PR nightmare not to.
I agree, but as a niner fan I remember them passing on Aaron Rogers for Alex Smith. Almost everyone in the Bay Area thought they would pick the local home grown about that played so well for California.
It made sense for the Bengals to play Finley. Test the waters and see if he had viability as a starter or keeping as a back-up. Dalton's future was already a lock.
Yes, I agree...and now that you know what you have in Finley...the Burrow pick would make sense.
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