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Old 01-03-2022, 10:18 AM
 
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And yes, it's pretty freaking sad to see these stories of newborns with COVID. I can't imagine being a new parent, and trying to figure out of the hardest job on the planet that comes with no manual or training, and dealing with COVID on top of it all. What a ****ty, helpless feeling that must be.
My cousin and his wife are/were very worried. Their baby isn't even two months old.

The parents are both vaccinated but I don't know if they are boosted (they may be, I just don't know). They think he got it at work on the 26th. He doesn't have a position where he can work from home, like so many.
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:14 AM
 
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What's amazing (to me) is that link to the Fauci testing story on ABC (abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauc...ry?id=82032243) is categorized as *politics*.

Science & Medicine are considered political now.
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Yes, cases are breaking records left and right. My only pause is....hospitalizations trail cases by 2-4 weeks? Omicron has confirmed been here since 12/1 ish. NY and FL have both smashed their positivity and case numbers.

Again, I am not arguing from a diametrically opposed position. More of a "could we pump the enthusiasm just a smidge?"

Ya the "with COVID" thing I had seen and agree, as I did in the last two years, that going to the hospital cuz you broke your leg, and you test positive, shouldn't be a "COVID Hospitalization"....the categorization has been F'd from the start and, as we saw in the last two years, when you muddy the stats, you get people to disregard/disengage.

At a time, when it seems like we are finally getting close to the "end" (fully realizing that the end in this case simply means a new seasonal virus we contend the rest of our lives with) clarity and accountability are paramount to get us through this gate (and if there is the next variant that takes the best of Omicron and makes it deadlier/more hospital-ly (virulent?), then lets reconnoiter)
Hospitalizations have generally trailed by 2-4 DAYS, not weeks. It's deaths that have generally peaked 3 weeks behind cases.

Is not the concern with all variants of Covid the breathing/oxygen levels? The other symptoms are like a bad cold/flu, which can and should be treated at home? I'd think the fever would be the greatest concern with a newborn, along with hydration, but I'm obviously not a doc.

Here's the ER Doc's tweet who became internet-famous on the 26th. Consistently talks about breathing/oxygen as the demarcation.

https://twitter.com/Craig_A_Spencer/...25900766031874
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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Hospitalizations have generally trailed by 2-4 DAYS, not weeks. It's deaths that have generally peaked 3 weeks behind cases.

Is not the concern with all variants of Covid the breathing/oxygen levels? The other symptoms are like a bad cold/flu, which can and should be treated at home? I'd think the fever would be the greatest concern with a newborn, along with hydration, but I'm obviously not a doc.

Here's the ER Doc's tweet who became internet-famous on the 26th. Consistently talks about breathing/oxygen as the demarcation.

https://twitter.com/Craig_A_Spencer/...25900766031874
My bad. It thought there was a lapse (in terms of weeks) for hospitalizations as well, with deaths again lagged behind that. The 2-4 must be soup to nuts (case to hospitalization to deaths)

As for the rest, I don’t believe I have opined on what is or isn’t a symptom of concern. Just like I can’t move the needle on getting people vaxxed, I surely cant tell them when they should head for a hospital.
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:46 AM
 
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What's amazing (to me) is that link to the Fauci testing story on ABC (abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauc...ry?id=82032243) is categorized as *politics*.

Science & Medicine are considered political now.
It has been since March 2020. And neither side of the aisle can be blamed - most of the blame can be put on the media.
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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My bad. It thought there was a lapse (in terms of weeks) for hospitalizations as well, with deaths again lagged behind that. The 2-4 must be soup to nuts (case to hospitalization to deaths)

As for the rest, I don’t believe I have opined on what is or isn’t a symptom of concern. Just like I can’t move the needle on getting people vaxxed, I surely cant tell them when they should head for a hospital.
I don't think you've opined either. But the docs have...it wasn't a direct response to you.

And if the docs are opining on "when to seek medical care", then wouldn't it be nice if THAT was what the media story was.
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Old 01-03-2022, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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I don't think you've opined either. But the docs have...it wasn't a direct response to you.

And if the docs are opining on "when to seek medical care", then wouldn't it be nice if THAT was what the media story was.
Gotcha gotcha gotcha.

I couldn’t tell where the “reply to me ended†and the general thoughts began.

Common sense, evidence based “expert insights†don’t sell ads or clicks….hence here we are

(Please note I agree with your point)
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Old 01-03-2022, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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so, WRAL reported on testing tonight. One interviewee at Kidd Rd, one in Zebulon.

Kidd Rd - well, I was at a big gathering over the holidays, and I heard maybe a couple people got Covid, so I just wanted to test to be sure.

Zebulon - well, testing frequently is a good thing because that's how we know we're not infected.

IOW, neither KNEW they were exposed, neither were symptomatic nor otherwise convinced they might have Covid. Just testing for the sake of testing.
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Old 01-03-2022, 05:12 PM
 
Location: NC
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so, WRAL reported on testing tonight. One interviewee at Kidd Rd, one in Zebulon.

Kidd Rd - well, I was at a big gathering over the holidays, and I heard maybe a couple people got Covid, so I just wanted to test to be sure.

Zebulon - well, testing frequently is a good thing because that's how we know we're not infected.

IOW, neither KNEW they were exposed, neither were symptomatic nor otherwise convinced they might have Covid. Just testing for the sake of testing.
It sounds like the Kidd Rd folks had reason to believe they may have been exposed at a holiday gathering. I'd hope anyone planning on going back to work or school would have the sense to get tested as they did.
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Old 01-03-2022, 05:39 PM
 
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Coworker's mom is going through chemo and got covid. She really only leaves the house for her treatments. She has a boyfriend that comes on weekends, he got tested before coming last weekend, was negative. He tested positive a few days later and turns out he gave it to her that weekend. She's unable to get monoclonal antibodies because of the fed-induced "shortage".

The moral of the story is, asymptomatic testing really is kind of useless in a lot of cases.
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