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Old 05-21-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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so can someone tell me again why home ownership is better than renting??
did someone say that it was?

it *can* be... for some
and for others or in other circumstances... it might not be

isn't it great to have choices?
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Old 05-21-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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did someone say that it was?

it *can* be... for some
and for others or in other circumstances... it might not be

isn't it great to have choices?
not the people here...but all the realtors that i've met over the last couple of years......
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Old 05-21-2011, 06:10 PM
 
Location: ABQ
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So, in a year, my rent is $18,000

Owning
Total cost of home ownership is $17,150
Equity? Based on this post, I think you might have missed the whole point of home ownership?
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Old 05-21-2011, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Ahem, how about equity + appreciation? If you pay the former for 30-years, what happens? If you pay the latter for 30 years, what happens?

like i've said....i'm NOT optimistic about the short/medium (ok,i'll throw in long) term outlook of the property market.

i think there are better ways for my money to appreciate...at least MORE LIQUID ways....

so whereas capital appreciation in the long run is highly questionable....i'm focusing mainly on the costs that are almost guaranteed.

i guess it might still make sense to own if i can live in it and rent out the outhouse or basement or something.
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:46 PM
 
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I'm going to rent here, after I rent my house out that I paid 18,500 cash for at 625 per month.
J & A - Apartment | Chiang Rai Thaiapartments 100 Dollars per month--very low crime.
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Old 05-22-2011, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Equity? Based on this post, I think you might have missed the whole point of home ownership?
Sure seems that way. Regardless of appreciation, even if prices stay flat for a decade, a home owner can still sell the property and reclaim liquid equity. A renter cannot.
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Old 05-22-2011, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Sure seems that way. Regardless of appreciation, even if prices stay flat for a decade, a home owner can still sell the property and reclaim liquid equity. A renter cannot.
Even if prices were to fall, there is still a chance that a home owner will have equity in their property. Or at least they won't be losing equity at the same rate per month as their monthly rent would be. Of course that is still a risk, but a risk that I would take every time.
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Old 05-22-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: ABQ
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like i've said....i'm NOT optimistic about the short/medium (ok,i'll throw in long) term outlook of the property market.
Like I said, I think you missed the entire point.

Pretend prices stay the same for 30 years, you still have full equity.
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Old 05-22-2011, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Like I said, I think you missed the entire point.

Pretend prices stay the same for 30 years, you still have full equity.
maybe i haven't made myself clear...if i do buy, it'd be a cash purchase (hence the reason why i included opportunity cost of cash [regular savings interest] in my computation).

so yes, if the price of the property stays the same for 30years, i still have full equity (actually how about the time value of money? other opportunity costs of money? inflation adjusted rate of return? depreciation of USD?). and if i don't buy, i also still have full equity right?

so the only benefit of home ownership, in my case, is the $70/month that i save which is likely to go towards other longer term home ownership costs (i.e. sinking fund for bigger home fixes?).

if i'm not optimistic about the property market in the short/medium/long term....personally, i don't see any reason why i should trade liquidity for that $70 savings every month.
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Old 05-22-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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maybe i haven't made myself clear...

so the only benefit of home ownership...
if i'm not optimistic about the property market...
maybe no one else in the 60+ other posts of this thread have made themselves clear either...
there are a few caveats being rather deliberately ignored by this sort of contrarian assessment

so, one more time:
if you aren't solidly connected to the area by family or work commitments...
if you have any reasonable expectation you'll move on within 5 years...
if you don't WANT to stay put anywhere for more at least 10 years

then just don't buy (at any price).
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