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You know what's funny - in my job - we are constantly patting everyone on the tush and making sexual jokes all the time! I have to remind myself to behave when I'm around other people or when I'm doing a job that isn't performing!
As an off topic thing but related to your post somewhat, I took classes to be a Black Jack dealer at one of the casinos I live by(You may have heard of Argosy and Grand Victoria Casinos) and one of the things you were taught to do as a dealer is before picking anything up, you have to "clean your hands". By that I mean there's a camera above every table pointed down, and you would have to show both sides of your hands to prove that you're not stealing anything before picking up chips, money, cards etc. So for a while I would go to the grocery store and while checking out and handing the cashier my money I would hold my hands out and turn them over quick before reaching for my wallet.
I think the average guy these days would prefer the woman to initiate things equally, when it comes to dating. Only the really confident guys prefer doing all the work at first. The average guy isn't super confident.
I don't want a woman who acts like a man, but I wish they would initiate a little more. It makes things easier.
Oh make no mistake black jack, feminism does not include all white women. Feminists left working class white women in the dust too. You'll never hear the feminists talking about the lunch lady who baby sits on week end to make rent, you'll never hear them talk about how women of color are disproportionately found in the sex trade and as sex slaves. You never hear a feminist talk about how native american women have a life expectancy that is a 20-30% less than their white counter parts.
Nope, its always, "he makes more in than me at the office".
I remember working a job where they adopted feminist policy. In high school I worked for UPS. It sucked. All the woman got hired on but they got the easiest jobs, when the easiest jobs are supposed to reserved for people with the most seniority. So we had guys in their middle ages who had worked there for years, busting their humps, while the woman had the easiest tasks. It sucked, and those chicks should not have been allowed to work there with out showing they could do what we had to do. It was not fair.
Oh make no mistake black jack, feminism does not include all white women. Feminists left working class white women in the dust too. You'll never hear the feminists talking about the lunch lady who baby sits on week end to make rent, you'll never hear them talk about how women of color are disproportionately found in the sex trade and as sex slaves. You never hear a feminist talk about how native american women have a life expectancy that is a 20-30% less than their white counter parts.
Nope, its always, "he makes more in than me at the office".
Maybe on the net, but the issues you note are common knowledge. Class disparity is common knowledge. A person cannot watch the news without gleaning that information. These issues, tho, go beyond lawful access to education and opportunity. They are intertwined with culture, and yes, class.
The boons resulting from feminism are available to minority women, tho, specifically women's shelters as a refuge from domestic violence and access to birth control and gynecological care. As with education, where need based funding is available, it's getting people to utilize the resources. For example, white women tend to develop ovarian cancer and breast cancer at greater rates compared to black women, but a higher percentage of black women die from these cancers. It's difficult for me to blame feminism for this, but if that's your argument you should provide the details. Planned parenthood, for example, offers gyn check ups, std testing, etc on a sliding scale. I know this because as a young woman, who didn't have a doctor or health insurance, I used the services. Early detection is key for outcome. So, given that planned parenthood's tend to be in areas that have a high presence of minorities, why aren't the services that offer for early detection used at greater rates? That's a complex issue and it goes beyond women on the net complaining about salaries.
I would also like to add that I don't really buy into the wage disparity argument at face value. Yes, a wage disparity exists, but that's not to due to a lack of lawful opportunity. Just as impoverished black women choose to not utilize available health resources, women in general tend to choose career paths that result in lower wages. The causes here are a bit more complex than single labels like feminism, rather it's stratified and complex.
Either way, what kind of changes do you suggest? Would you simply like to see more compassionate rhetoric from women online who claim to be feminists? Would you like to see women curtailed politically, in the workforce, and academia?
equitably, not equally. it took me a while to understand that the two are different. "Equality" might look better on a poster somewhere, but "equitability" is a much more sane way to live my life.
for example, we have unequal men's and women's restrooms, but they still work equitably for both genders.
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At work do you treat them professionally? Do you expect an equally professional working relationship in return? In personal relationships do you expect the same treatment to you as you give to her?
Yes, yes, and no.
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Just curious, because I wonder how you actually go about not treating women equally.
I tried treating them equally and it didn't work very well. Now I try to make assumptions about what they want, as women and as individuals, rather than projecting my own desires and standards as a man upon them.
equitably, not equally. it took me a while to understand that the two are different. "Equality" might look better on a poster somewhere, but "equitability" is a much more sane way to live my life.
for example, we have unequal men's and women's restrooms, but they still work equitably for both genders.
I tried treating them equally and it didn't work very well. Now I try to make assumptions about what they want, as women and as individuals, rather than projecting my own desires and standards as a man upon them.
What you say makes sense. It made me chuckle tho because when this same logic is applied in divorce situations involving assests, CS and alimony it causes quite the bemoaning.
Perhaps (in my interpretation) he is trying to imply that if the men pays, the women pays. If the men opens the door, the women must also do the same thing for them and so on. There are some women who do this kind of thing, but maybe he just needs to find them instead of finding a girl who wants to be treated like a lady, not a man.
Perhaps (in my interpretation) he is trying to imply that if the men pays, the women pays. If the men opens the door, the women must also do the same thing for them and so on. There are some women who do this kind of thing, but maybe he just needs to find them instead of finding a girl who wants to be treated like a lady, not a man.
I'm very much a lady and I open doors for people all the time. I also pay my own way, but I'm a woman, not a girl.
Perhaps (in my interpretation) he is trying to imply that if the men pays, the women pays. If the men opens the door, the women must also do the same thing for them and so on. There are some women who do this kind of thing, but maybe he just needs to find them instead of finding a girl who wants to be treated like a lady, not a man.
My question is - do the guys that want a girl that they can treat like a man want a girl that looks like a man and acts like a man? Perhaps all these guys that are blaming feminism and equal rights and equal pay for every bad thing in the world should actually be looking to date men instead of women? Otherwise - I really don't see what equal rights under the law has to do with dating and relationships. It's not about being equal to men - it's about being equal citizens. Love is about being who you are and finding someone you are compatible with. These are two such vastly different things - I don't understand why anyone would confuse them with each other.
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