I've been thinking about gender roles and whatnot (date, girl, 2014)

[Funny how?]

Originally Posted by Raena77

As a mom that is single, I am the female and male everyday. Minus the butt scratching.

Whatever do you mean??

[Shaolin070388]

Originally Posted by Braunwyn

While I align continuous demands of men paying for dates with prostitution, I don't agree here. The work force, equal rights under the law, and protections under the law are not in the same universe as choices people make in relationships/dating.

Dating is included in feminism. If you won't accept feminism in dating and relationships, then you're not a feminist.

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by Shaolin070388

Dating is included in feminism. If you won't accept feminism in dating and relationships, then you're not a feminist.

Then maybe these women aren't feminists, so?

[mishigas73]

Originally Posted by Shaolin070388

If you're a true feminist, it applies to all areas of life. Along with rights comes responsibilities. I have no respect for those that demand in one area, and remain passive in another because it benefits them too much to become more aggressive. That's not feminism.

Honest questions...

Is this a "bright line" thing? If you're talking about equal pay for equal work, how exactly does that translate to the dating world? Is this all like a business transaction?

[Shaolin070388]

Originally Posted by Braunwyn

Then maybe these women aren't feminists, so?

Of course they're not. They expect equal treatment, but don't want to put in equal effort and have equal responsibility.

[Dewdroplet76]

Originally Posted by Shaolin070388

If you're a true feminist, it applies to all areas of life. Along with rights comes responsibilities. I have no respect for those that demand in one area, and remain passive in another because it benefits them too much to become more aggressive. That's not feminism.

I don't consider myself a true feminist - but I don't think you truly understand feminism and women's rights. I do demand equal rights - we should have the right to vote, we should have equal pay, we should be protected from rape, sexual harassment, physical abuse, etc. Every single person should have these rights. This has absolutely nothing to do with my love life.

You obviously want a woman to take care of you - to ask you out, dote on you, woo you, etc. That's fine. Just because not all women are going to be willing to do that - it doesn't mean that all women are feminists who are using feminism to benefit them. Are you willing to give up your equal rights to have a woman who takes care of you? Are you willing to give up equal pay and your right to vote?

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by Shaolin070388

Of course they're not. They expect equal treatment, but don't want to put in equal effort and have equal responsibility.

This is the case for both genders. All that can be done is to date your own. That's what I've always done and it's worked out pretty well.

[Shaolin070388]

Originally Posted by mishigas73

Honest questions...

Is this a "bright line" thing? If you're talking about equal pay for equal work, how exactly does that translate to the dating world? Is this all like a business transaction?

Dating is included in feminism. If you want it in one area, it has to apply in all areas.

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by Dewdrop93

I don't consider myself a true feminist - but I don't think you truly understand feminism and women's rights. I do demand equal rights - we should have the right to vote, we should have equal pay, we should be protected from rape, sexual harassment, physical abuse, etc. Every single person should have these rights. This has absolutely nothing to do with my love life.

You obviously want a woman to take care of you - to ask you out, dote on you, woo you, etc. That's fine. Just because not all women are going to be willing to do that - it doesn't mean that all women are feminists who are using feminism to benefit them. Are you willing to give up your equal rights to have a woman who takes care of you? Are you willing to give up equal pay and your right to vote?

That's where folk get confused. The choices of the Joe and Jane over there should not affect the reality of Sue and Sam over here.

[Dewdroplet76]

Originally Posted by Shaolin070388

Dating is included in feminism. If you want it in one area, it has to apply in all areas.

I'm not quite sure where you are getting this from... There are many kinds of feminists. It sounds like you are looking for your definition of a true feminist but just can't find one. Is that the problem?