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I agree with you here. Again, that's not what I come across on the net. And that's the only space where I come across gender roles. Most women that like them seem to live up to them. Maybe it's different in the dating world off line. Obviously, I can't speak to that. Are you religious? I imagine the kind of situation you're looking for could be found in a church, not that I would know first hand.
The churches I've been to go out of their way to avoid any kind of talk about what a woman's role is. It's a sensitive subject to say the least.
The difference is - and this is a HUGE difference - she didn't punish men for her beliefs. She didn't take it out on men at all. It had nothing to do with men - it only had to do with herself. She was saying, "I can't believe men want me to do this! Well, I'm not gonna! All men want is a wife that's barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and to hell with them!" She didn't "target" men. She just had thought that her career would be more important to her than being a wife. She fell in love with an amazing guy and realized that it didn't have to be either or. She realized that she could embrace certain old fashioned traditions with out losing who she was. But once again, she never punished men or took it out on men. This was her own journey.
And just for the record - it was never my intention to "target" men in this thread. I have nothing against men. I love men! And I also love being a woman. The people I'm "targeting" in this thread are the ones that have so much hatred and bitterness for the opposite gender. The ones that think there is a right way and wrong way to live your life. Some women like being traditional - others like being more progressive. Same with men.
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Originally Posted by Jefetio
That doesn't seem any different from what your typical so-called bitter man says on CD.
Oopsie. My bad. I left out a key word. I meant to say she DIDN'T say that!!! That was my point - she didn't say those things. It was only about her - not about men.
It's funny - I had written out this retort to you about how you needed to reread my post - and then I decided to quote myself instead. Lo and behold! I left out a very important word!!! Actually, not a whole word - just the letters "n't" after the word was. She wasn't saying...
"I can't believe women want me to do this. All women want a man who pays their way and buys everything for them. To hell with women!"
would you call him a bitter man or say that he was only "being about him"
I would call him bitter. I would also have called my friend bitter if she had said what I wrote. Funny how leaving out a few letters can cause so much trouble!
I don't buy it. I've seen misandrist posts by women here in certain threads and the other female posters didn't exactly call them out on it.
Are you kidding? I've seen many women attacked by other women on these threads when they say that men should always pay, etc. Also - when my friends are acting bitter and stupid - I let them know. When they do stupid things - I don't hold back. I'm an honest person. One of my friends only wants to marry a rich guy - I've told her repeatedly that this is stupid. I've also told her that she'll probably end up with someone really poor.
I guess I can sum up my point with "agree to disagree". If a man/woman doesn't like expectations based on gender, that's their prerogative, it doesn't make them a bad person or "less of" something. And if they DO believe in those expectations, that in and of itself doesn't make them sexist or chauvinistic.
For those who say "well I don't target men who believe...": throw me a bone. Read some of the threads where we talk about men paying for dates, or making the first move or what not. Look at the way women, and other men, talk about these men. Can you deny that a lot of people DO target these men? How would you feel about a man, or woman, who targetted women that reject certain roles? Would that be sexist or misogynistic?
I don't think the frustration with feminists and gender roles and the perceived hypocrisy is really that hard to understand. I think it would be very apparent to women were the shoe on the other foot. So to write men off as bitter or misogynistic for pointing it out lacks empathy in my opinion.
If I don't do it for a man, I won't do it for a woman.
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Actually, not a whole word - just the letters "n't" after the word was. She wasn't saying... 
