Second Date Advice

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by MillennialUrbanist

Then tell him what's not right. Don't play that cliche "you did something wrong, and I'm not telling you what" game. He'll get plenty of it after he gets married.

She already told him.

Originally Posted by BirdieBelle

This woman has been very cool with you, a person she's trying to get to know, and you're obsessed with this one factor.

Your expectations about sex are out of control here. Period.

[MillennialUrbanist]

Originally Posted by redplum33

I agree you're doing something right to get to the 4th date. But, your mindset is off. Your update post (see below) has a bad vibe going on. Like you're waiting to trap her on your home turf so you can make your big move.

In this day and age, really? No way! You clearly don't give the OP enough credit. I'm sure he knows better. If he tries that, I'm pretty sure he'll get MeToo'ed into next Thursday.

[M3Guy]

Originally Posted by MillennialUrbanist

This is Blue Pill thinking. There's a fine line between being patient and being a fool. I, personally, wouldn't wait more than two dates for a kiss. If a woman is truly attracted to me, as opposed to just wanting to settle down with me to get a stable life, she will kiss me sooner, rather than later. I've wasted far too much of my time waiting for women to "get to know me", "feel more comfortable" with me, etc. So imagine the shock I got later in life, when women would kiss me on a first date. Where was the "get to know me" or "feel more comfortable"? The real answer was "attraction". If it's not there from the get-go, it's never happening. The most precious resource a man has is his time. Don't waste it.

Attraction works in mysterious ways. If a woman is feeling it, kissing will happen almost anywhere it's remotely acceptable. Maybe not at a family dinner or in church, but pretty much anywhere else. Bowling? Sure, why not.

Originally Posted by MillennialUrbanist

That's a negative sign. She doesn't have to perform a sexual favor on you on a first or even a second date, but touch is extremely important in vetting a woman. If she doesn't seem interested in touching you, even in a semi-joking, flirty way, the odds are not in your favor. Try to move forward the best you can, vet her in the process, but don't feel compelled to keep investing when you can clearly see diminishing returns.

Men these days have almost no power in the dating world, unless they're extremely attractive. But one power all men still have is the power to walk away. Don't be afraid to exercise it. Because if you don't, you will squander the most precious resource your have: your time.

1000 times this! The idea that a man must initiate everything is Blue Pill thinking, which feels more like a cat-and-mouse game than a proverbial dating dance. A woman who's interested will most definitely initiate, be it touch, texting, or date suggestions.

Careful ya'll! We don't want to start making sense around here! That will get you booted.

OP, move on. She is not interested. I guarantee after every date you take her on, she's hopping in bed that same night with the Alpha. Don't waste your time.

[old_cold]

Originally Posted by M3Guy

Careful ya'll! We don't want to start making sense around here! That will get you booted.

OP, move on. She is not interested. I guarantee after every date you take her on, she's hopping in bed that same night with the Alpha. Don't waste your time.

You have such a low opinion of women that all your posts sound the same. I sure hope nobody actually pays attention to you

[M3Guy]

Originally Posted by old_cold

You have such a low opinion of women that all your posts sound the same. I sure hope nobody actually pays attention to you

Definitely not true