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Old 05-18-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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No, I'm not a piece of meat. The real me is the person you're, supposedly, talking to. You know the person who should be respected.

This does explain why I couldn't get men to look me in the eye when I was younger. Who knew one of the perks of growing older would be being treated with respect instead of undressed in the mind of every man I tried to have a conversation with.

I find this disgusting. Women are people not sex objects.

You think every man undressed you with his eyes? Wow.

Maybe they didn't look you in the eye for other reasons.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:40 PM
 
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No, I'm not a piece of meat. The real me is the person you're, supposedly, talking to. You know the person who should be respected.

This does explain why I couldn't get men to look me in the eye when I was younger. Who knew one of the perks of growing older would be being treated with respect instead of undressed in the mind of every man I tried to have a conversation with.

I find this disgusting. Women are people not sex objects.
You are only a piece of meat if you think you are.

I've never viewed women as pieces of meat.

Yes I appreciate an attractive woman and I appreciate an attractive naked woman. Yes I have lust in my heart and have sexual feelings for women. I'm sure most men also feel the same. And hence without that the human race would die off.

Your rationale that I can't imagine a woman naked because that is disrespectful is not only bizarre but lacks in reality.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:51 AM
 
Location: USA
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You are only a piece of meat if you think you are.

I've never viewed women as pieces of meat.

Yes I appreciate an attractive woman and I appreciate an attractive naked woman. Yes I have lust in my heart and have sexual feelings for women. I'm sure most men also feel the same. And hence without that the human race would die off.

Your rationale that I can't imagine a woman naked because that is disrespectful is not only bizarre but lacks in reality.

Gosh, that was so strong, so admirable...I wish more men thought like you do!!
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:21 AM
 
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Maybe the underlying problem isn't the porn. Maybe it's that he lied about it, which is much worse than watching porn imo.

I've walked out on my husband doing his thing. He was more surprised and embarrassed than I was. I do the whole "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to porn. I think the idea of our kids walking in on him stops him more often than my asking him not to ever would.

Lying to me about something is completely unacceptable. I won't put up with lying. But you have to be realistic and talk to him about it. Why did he lie in the first place? Ask him if you haven't yet.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:55 AM
 
Location: USA
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Maybe the underlying problem isn't the porn. Maybe it's that he lied about it, which is much worse than watching porn imo.

I've walked out on my husband doing his thing. He was more surprised and embarrassed than I was. I do the whole "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to porn. I think the idea of our kids walking in on him stops him more often than my asking him not to ever would.

Lying to me about something is completely unacceptable. I won't put up with lying. But you have to be realistic and talk to him about it. Why did he lie in the first place? Ask him if you haven't yet.

You wont "put up with"....that sounds like you are doing him some kind of favor being with him.
I don't think you want to know why he looks at the porn. He is afraid of you.
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:02 AM
 
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You wont "put up with"....that sounds like you are doing him some kind of favor being with him.
I don't think you want to know why he looks at the porn. He is afraid of you.
This post doesn't make sense. Who puts up with lying?
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:58 AM
 
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My advice would be to get a divorce.

He obviously needs some fresh meat.
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Old 05-19-2009, 06:24 AM
 
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I haven't read all of the responses thoroughly, but I'm really surprised by the number of people who pathologize any objection to porn as insecurity or tyranny. Some of you can't see anything other than an egocentric motivation for anything. You doth project too much, methinks.
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:37 AM
 
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Your rationale that I can't imagine a woman naked because that is disrespectful is not only bizarre but lacks in reality.
Your post was not addressed to me, but I want to remark that many people (women especially) feel this way. It stems from being indoctrinated with the idea that sex is inherently dirty and shameful, and that male desire is always degrading to women, unless it's redeemed by "love" (said term being defined as the burning desire to buy a horrendously overpriced starter home, make babies as soon as possible, and spend weekends strolling around Stop n' Shop and "doing drywall"). Other components of this worldview include the feeling that "sex" is something that men want and women give, and thus, in love and marriage, sex is something that women perform almost as a sacrifice.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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There is porn that celebrates the sex act (although almost always in a juvenile way) and there is porn that degrades women and there is porn that is emotionally disturbing. I am not sure what kind of porn the OP's husband was watching, or why he had to lie about it.
I am guessing the OP has one of two problems:
Either her husband is so caught up in porn that she feels excluded or "judged"...(or it's "sicko" porn)or She is repressed and afraid of either one of them enjoying sex.
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