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I will comment on the one on "how the opposite sex functions" bit however, a society where simplistic physical violence determines everything? Why would you even ask? Beyond the scope of any modern human, this is never the case. However, you ascribe behaviors based solely on patriarchal grounds, this isn't the case in even "patriarchal" societies, we never get there alone. Shaming, and degradation as a control method is not a unique concept, and it sure as hell isn't only a male means to do so. Which you seem to depute, I am unsure as to why, if not, I haven't any idea w.t.h. your actually trying to argue here with me.
At this point, Wayne, I don't know whether you truly fail to understand what I've been saying, or just pretending. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, let me break it down:
The article claimed that only women (with few exception that can be ignored) -- that only women -- use shaming and degradation as means of social control. With me so far? Men, by contrast (the article claimed) use only physical aggression as means of social control. Now, if that were true, then a patriarchal society (defined as a society where women have no right to vote, no right to hold public office, and enjoy fewer civil rights than men, if any), there would be no shaming or degradation, and all social controls would be accomplished solely by means of physical violence. I brought up the shaming and degradation practices of patriarchal societies as evidence that the claim that only women use shaming and degradation as social control is wrong and contrary to historical evidence. Nowhere did I claim that only men practice shaming and degradation in a bid to control others.
At this point, Wayne, I don't know whether you truly fail to understand what I've been saying, or just pretending. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, let me break it down:
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Definitely should. At this point I'd have to go back to the whatever the first response I gave that cascaded this conversation to go days. Yes, I love a good debate, but yes my attention span especially here is not that great.
Perhaps even a misinterpretation of what you originally said, doubtful, but all of what you state that I cut there I fully agree with, as in your argument against.
I've seen really nasty gossip at work. But I think women are truly competitive. I avoid that like the plague, that's why I work odd hours and at night.
I think married women are terrified of single women. They think their husband is so hot, they think every woman wants him. Makes you want to say, "Sorry, but I don't want your husband, don't flatter yourself." Heh.
I searched for this topic so as to not start an entire new thread but please any suggestions?
I am currently in the mist of the absolute worse group of women. No one will own their "gossiping" about the other although they all carry their christian banner, I pray Isaiah 53 daily
any other ideas? job change not an option
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I searched for this topic so as to not start an entire new thread but please any suggestions?
I am currently in the mist of the absolute worse group of women. No one will own their "gossiping" about the other although they all carry their christian banner, I pray Isaiah 53 daily
any other ideas? job change not an option
BTDT. Once worked with a bunch of Harpies. This worked for me. Put your PolyAnna socks on and keep them on.. Always believe the best. Refuse to accept the worst. Everytime they say something nasty about somebody say you cant believe it cause they are so nice. ( Even if theyre not.) Really!!!! Are you sure? Who told you that? Seven is such a nice person Im sure she would never do THAT!!!!!! Refuse to believe anything bad about anybody. Dont challenge the gossip itself. Just keep saying how nice they are. Make up stuff if you have to. I cant believe it. Seven always helps old ladies across the street.
They may not stop but they will stop doin it around you. Cause you take all the fun out of it. AND youre too addle brained to appreciate good gossip. In my case I like to think I slowed down the gossip machines momentum down a little cause I made it too much work to do it around me. I think these things can take on a life of their own as everyone tries to one up each other. The one bad apple thing can apply too. Sometimes one peep with a rotten attitude can contaminate a whole office.
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Reason: Going to church does not make you nice. Some of the meanest people I know go to church twice a week.
I think it began way back in Middle School and High School.I also believe that this question could also be asked about the men as well. But I think women are worse then men in regards of being jealous of one another.
Visit a dating site sometime and observe how some of the women threat one another and they may answer your question.
BTDT. Once worked with a bunch of Harpies. This worked for me. Put your PolyAnna socks on and keep them on.. Always believe the best. Refuse to accept the worst. Everytime they say something nasty about somebody say you cant believe it cause they are so nice. ( Even if theyre not.) Really!!!! Are you sure? Who told you that? Seven is such a nice person Im sure she would never do THAT!!!!!! Refuse to believe anything bad about anybody. Dont challenge the gossip itself. Just keep saying how nice they are. Make up stuff if you have to. I cant believe it. Seven always helps old ladies across the street.
They may not stop but they will stop doin it around you. Cause you take all the fun out of it. AND youre too addle brained to appreciate good gossip. In my case I like to think I slowed down the gossip machines momentum down a little cause I made it too much work to do it around me. I think these things can take on a life of their own as everyone tries to one up each other. The one bad apple thing can apply too. Sometimes one peep with a rotten attitude can contaminate a whole office.
Yes, I guess saying nothing is the same as going on with it, I will try it out and let you know!
that is not true, they do not discriminate, its just that if the creature they encounter does not feed their need for flattery, romance, sex or money, well you know what happens next.
Around here, with 185 single men for every single 100 women in the 30 to 35 age bracket, women are very pleasant and supportive to each other, at least from what I see at work.
I suppose, a highly competitive environment tends to bring out the worst in people. Nothing like getting your a$$ kissed to assuage any negative vibes.
BTDT. Once worked with a bunch of Harpies. This worked for me. Put your PolyAnna socks on and keep them on.. Always believe the best. Refuse to accept the worst. Everytime they say something nasty about somebody say you cant believe it cause they are so nice. ( Even if theyre not.) Really!!!! Are you sure? Who told you that? Seven is such a nice person Im sure she would never do THAT!!!!!! Refuse to believe anything bad about anybody. Dont challenge the gossip itself. Just keep saying how nice they are. Make up stuff if you have to. I cant believe it. Seven always helps old ladies across the street.
They may not stop but they will stop doin it around you. Cause you take all the fun out of it. AND youre too addle brained to appreciate good gossip. In my case I like to think I slowed down the gossip machines momentum down a little cause I made it too much work to do it around me. I think these things can take on a life of their own as everyone tries to one up each other. The one bad apple thing can apply too. Sometimes one peep with a rotten attitude can contaminate a whole office.
You rock Cecilia Rose!
Changing the subject whenever it gets too personal or degenerates to sniping really works too. AND never, never moan and groan about anybody when you're at work because some people just see it as an opening to launch a tirade about their least favorite person.
Yep! Being perceived as airy fairy and an Uber Pollyanna when it comes to gossip is a great persona to develop for work. SAVES so much valuable work time too!
It may be more than an urban legend, but it is most definitely exaggerated. Most women are supportive of each other. The few that fit this stereotype are, imo, emotionally and socially stunted. They just need some time to mature and find their own inner sense of self-worth and beauty. Easier said than done in these cases, since what we are dealing with here can be thought of as internalized oppression. As long as they believe themselves to be disempowered, they will try to disempower other women and cling to their men for dear life. It's tragic but not as widespread as one might think.
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Are you sure? Who told you that? Seven is such a nice person Im sure she would never do THAT!!!!!! Refuse to believe anything bad about anybody. Dont challenge the gossip itself. Just keep saying how nice they are. Make up stuff if you have to. 
Why are some women so mean to each other?
