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Old 10-14-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Mightyqueen801 wrote:

I didn't read every post after this one but your statement is false. DNA testing has proven that Neanderthals were not human but rather a separate and distinct species. You should probably do a little bit of studying on the subject before you say such things.
LMAOROFL. And YOU should do a little soul-searching to find out why affecting an attitude of condescension without asking questions to determine if you are accurate about what you post makes you feel big.

I've done a great deal of reading about the Neanderthal and other early humans because the subject interests me and has for years. They were indeed human. Don't take my word for it. There are plenty of real live anthropologists who say the same thing.

Here is just one article, pretty basic, from the Smithsonian (this is a large, renowned organization of museums, research and knowledge in Washington, DC. Perhaps you have heard of it.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/...anderthalensis

Here's another article that's a bit more basically worded and may be simpler for you to grasp. It's from a Christian website--even though you may not be Christian, it might interest you to know that even a religion whose members sometimes eschew science considers the Neanderthal branch to be human.

Neanderthals were human: Not ape-men

And if you still feel the need to build your self-esteem by adopting a sneering, condescending attitude toward people you don't know anything about, you might want to keep in mind that you might encounter others who are better at that than you are, too.



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Old 10-14-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Actually I believe there is mention of them in the Bible. The reason for the flood was because the Bible tells us that fallen angels interbred with humans. And as a result, a race of subhumans was created. They were very violent, and some were giants. Noah and his family were the only ones who escaped in the ark.
No, no specific biblical mention in fact, only in imagination. Neanderthals were giants? Not so; their stature was less than a modern homo sapiens. This stuff, as always with c34, is the product of a creative but uneducated imagination, necessary to fill in the massive gaping holes in his various personal theories.

As well, the timing of Neanderthals on this planet is a bit "off" relative to the imaginary Ark. They were long gone.

That's the part where c34 and nikk here just close your eyes, ears and brain. Moderator cut: deleted

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Big problem, Biblical estimates for time of The Flood™ would be 2304 BCE yet the best estimate for the extinction of the Neanderthals was 30,000 years ago or roughly 25,000 years before The Flood™.

...God™ got around to destroying what had already ceased to exist.
Yes, pretty illogical, isn't it? Denial of proven facts, calling them all fake, to their face no less.

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And you can say with a straight face, that you believe that bs?
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They terrorized the world 5000 years ago, mounted on their giant war dinosaurs and could shoot lightning bolts from their eyes. Don't forget that part too...
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the process of evolution does not exist.
Clearly incorrect since, in the past several years, many researchers have produced evolution in the lab, and DNA mapping has now conclusively shown the progression of genotypes over time (i.e.; evolution, by definition. No, nikk, you can't change a definition after the fact to hide the truth!)

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...we all are decendants of Adam and Eve who were created by God. And of those decendants came the people that we call Neaderthals. Not knuckle dragin' monkeys, but people who lived in Germany and mainly hunted as a living. If you saw one today, you would not see someone that looked like GIECO commercial character, but just some ordinary Joe.
Moderator cut: deleted Neanderthals were not monkeys, but an earlier branch of proto-hominids. Also you have obviously not seen the skeletons and structural recreations using the same proven techniques used in modern criminology to successfully ID skeletal remains. Proven, and the resulting Neanderthals are not the same as you or I. Well, me anyhow.

They also didn't live in a state called "Germany" either; they lived primarily around the face of retreating glaciers absent any political boundaries. That came about 50,000 years later! The Neanderthals were dependent on that unique post-glacial eco-niche, which started in Italy and wound itself northwards over about 40k years. You make it sound like they lived in modern times, as just another "tribe" living down the wagon road from one of our more modern villages with churches (and bibles in every house...).

Amazing, your stupendous lack of knowledge, history and fact. Try reading a bit before making such absolute (and technically ignorant) pronouncements. This approach only really demos your selective education, all in the blind service of your Lord.

If, as you insist, Adam and Eve procreated Neanderthals, the two of them must have looked either like him or a less "descended*" version (*a word you use to hide from "evolution"). Since we've only had about 6000 years since Creation, there's clearly not nearly enough time to clean up their genome act, frankly. We'd still be or see hairy knuckle draggers, with a limited capacity to speak or think. Certainly we'd have well-preserved remains, as we do for wholly mammoths and other primitive animals. Also, you'd think the bible would have mentioned these ubiquitous cretins. As well, like them, we'd be extinct.

I'm confused. Your line of logic always runs aground, all by itself. Are you or c34 by chance related to Captain Joseph Hazelwood? (look it up if you're not so "aware")

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Old 10-14-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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Just one correction: The were hominids, not proto-hominids. Otherwise, an excellent post.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:29 AM
 
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"In fact, give a Neanderthal man a shave and a haircut, dress him in well-fitted clothes, and he could probably walk down New York's Fifth Avenue without getting much notice." --ISAAC ASIMOV
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:47 PM
 
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"In fact, give a Neanderthal man a shave and a haircut, dress him in well-fitted clothes, and he could probably walk down New York's Fifth Avenue without getting much notice." --ISAAC ASIMOV
And given a computer, he could post absurdities on on message boards.
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Old 10-16-2010, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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The Christian sacred book cannot account for the Neanderthals because at the time that this supposedly sacred book was written the writers had no knowledge of the Neanderthals, so they were completely ignorant of that fact and how can you write about something that you know nothing about, it just goes to show you that the Christian sacred book is really not all that divine.
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:12 AM
 
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I am re-opening this thread with a reminder to all to please stay ON TOPIC.

Any further off topic posts will result in the thread remaining closed.

Thank you.

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Old 10-19-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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I think ptsum said it all, much like a post I made pages ago.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:58 PM
 
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Actually I believe there is mention of them in the Bible. The reason for the flood was because the Bible tells us that fallen angels interbred with humans. And as a result, a race of subhumans was created. They were very violent, and some were giants. Noah and his family were the only ones who escaped in the ark.
You believe that Neanderthals are the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of man?"
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:03 PM
 
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No, since the process of evolution does not exist. But we all are decendants of Adam and Eve who were created by God. And of those decendants came the people that we call Neaderthals. Not knuckle dragin' monkeys, but people who lived in Germany and mainly hunted as a living. If you saw one today, you would not see someone that looked like GIECO commercial character, but just some ordinary Joe.
Okay, I'll play.

If Neanderthals are "descendants of Adam and Eve" but did not evolve from Adam and Eve, how do you explain the tremendous genetic variability?
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