Another fossil discovery confirms Biblical account. (Muslim, Eve, scriptures, Quran)
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I must say it is a remarkable (and rather unfortunate) coincidence that this fossil was found in Israel.
The E.din is not in Israel, it is in Kuwait, and that doesn't matter either since it had long been extinct before the Sumerians recorded the events known as the "Fall of Man" that the Hebrews plagiarized and perverted.
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Originally Posted by Crumble34
And that is why when dinosaur bones are by accident, or by design tested by C-14 and found to be thousands of years old.
Ewww, that's very 1950-ish. To bring you up to speed to the 21st Century they use Potassium-Argon.
Also, to properly school you in real science C-14 is used to date organic material and never used to date fossilized material since, um, fossils by definition do not have organic material.
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We know the bible borrowed from other accounts because the writers used Sumerian and Akkadian phrases and words.
El Shaddai is not Hebrew, it's Akkadian. Gosh, who was born and raised in Akkad? Can you say, "Abrahm?" Even his name is Akkdian just like the name of his wife/half-sister Serai.
"The Lord of Hosts" is Sumerian. Everywhere you see that in the Old Testament, that is a rip right from Sumerian texts.
"The Day of the Lord" is a Sumerian/Akkadian phrase.
"Bene-elohim" is an Akkadian phrase. Job has more Akkadian and Sumerian phrases and words than all other books of the Old Testament combined. Wonder how that happened. It's because they copied it right from the original Sumerian Job.
In fact the only Hebrew words in Job are the names of his three daughters.
Your vaunted Yahick doesn't even know how Joseph got to Egypt.
At one point it says Joseph's brothers sold him to passing caravan.
Then later it says his brothers threw him into an abandoned well and a passing caravan heard his cries for help and "rescued" him.
So which is it?
They both can't be correct, so obviously you're bible contains untruths.
I'm going to assume you're still researching that instead of having forfeited. While you're at it, maybe you can score some brownie points with your god by helping him out, because your god is confused on yet another issue. He says Jacob bought Sheckem for 100 Shekels then later he says Simeon and Levi and their followers killed all the men of Sheckem after they had been temporarily mobilized by circumcision.
That presents a bit of a poser, because the 'E' writer says the Hebrews bought Sheckem, while the 'J' writer says the Hebrews slaughtered the inhabitants and took it over.
Certainly you can see the problem. Imagine if in addition to the story that the Dutch bought Manhattan Island for $24 from the local indigenous people, another story said the Dutch murdered all the indigenous people on Manhattan Island.
We would have a real issue about how Manhattan Island was really acquired.
You know if you studied a real bible instead of the K-weer Jimi Vision you might actually learn something.
But I guess that's the whole point, isn't it? You don't really want to learn anything. You just want to thump your bible and make ridiculous statements then, when your called out and people dump tons of evidence on you, you claim you're being persecuted so you can proudly display your Persecution Badge prominently on your outer garments.
You can't see that your bible is three separate religions and religious beliefs merged together, because you're using a grotesquely faulty text; or because you don't want to; or because you just don't have the intelligence to understand.
Even using a faulty text like the K-weer Jimi Vision, how can one possibly fail to notice that the use of Mount Horeb and Mount Sinai?
I just can't fathom how someone could "study" the bible, especially for as long as you claim to have done so, and not notice that. And those are two different places and two very distinct mountains (and one is associated with Ugarit/Canaanite mythology and pantheons -- wanna guess which one?).
The write who consistently refers to Mount Horeb also does something else, he always refers to outsiders as Amorites. Never once does he ever refer to them as Canaanites.
That is exactly opposite the 'J' writer who never once mentions Amorites. He always exclusively refers to non-Hebrews as Canaanites.
And then if you have half a brain, you'd notice something else. How does your deity communicate with people. For the 'E' writer it is always through dreams and visions, or through melachim, which is a Sumerian word that means "messengers" and which christians have corrupted and parlayed into a very nice business of "angles." I'm sure your god would be proud of their business acumen.
For 'J' your god never communicates through dreams and visions or melachim. In the 'J' stories, god always takes on an anthropomorphic form like a burning bush or a talking ass or a stinking cloud of hydrogen sulfide.
How can you not possibly notice that?
The heroes of 'E' are the northern tribes, especially Ephraim, and he loves the Judges, but he hates the monarchy, he hates Judah, and he hates the tribe/clan of Judah, yet even so, he won't slander Judah or any of the southern tribes/clans.
'J' loves the monarchy, disrespects the Judges, loves Judah and the tribe/clan of Judah, and worships David and Solomon the Idiot.
But there's a bit of a problem. To justify Judah has controlling the monarchy, he has to be in the proper position, and he isn't. So 'J' launches into a series of stories to position Judah properly. He says the first-born Reuben slept with one of Jacob's concubines, and that disqualifies Reuben from the inheritance.
But now Simeon and Levi are in the way, so 'J' says Simeon and Levi killed the men of Sheckem, and that disqualifies them and makes Judah next in line for the inheritance and justifies Judah for the monarchy.
That's politics, not religion.
Going back to Joseph, who saves Joseph? 'E' says it was Reuben. According to 'E' it was Reuben who prevented Joseph from being killed by his brothers and suggested that Joseph should be sold to the passing caravan.
'J' tells a different story. He says it was Judah who intervened, and suggested that Joseph be thrown in an abandoned well and not killed and not sold to passing caravan (and the caravan appears later in the 'J' story).
'J' always tries to cast Judah in the most favorable light, even though Judah was a turd. Judah bangs a prostitute, and then his sons, well, Yahoo murders one for being "wicked" (whatever that means) and then Yahoo murders Onan for "spilling his seed on the ground."
If Yahoo wanted the woman to get pregnant, he could have done it himself or he he could have farted and made her pregnant.
And it's kind of silly, I mean your all-knowing god didn't know Onan would refuse to have sex with his brother's wife? So, Yahoo knew Onan would refuse, and Yahoo knew he would murder Onan, but he asks Onan anyway.
You claim Moses wrote the bible, then explain why the phrase "the Lord your God" only appears in Deuteronomy and the Deuteronomic Histories (which were written long after Moses died). You probably never even noticed that despite your years of "study."
Why don't you explain why only 'P' uses the Akkadian phrase El Shaddai who also happens to be an Ugarit god of fertility and why the name of El Shaddai is used exclusively for fertility and blessing? "P' is also the exclusive source for all of Hebrew mythology and pre-history, which is nothing more than corrupted versions of Sumerian-Akkadian mythology. I guess it never donned on you that Terah (the father of Abrahm and Abrahm's half-sister wife Serai) was a priest first in the city of Nippur in Akkad and then later in the city of Ur in Akkad.
I guess it would be too much to ask for you to see a connection.
Your statements earlier were that snakes walked upright based on a fossil find. While the fossilized snake indicates it probably had two legs, it would've been incapable for that particular creature to walk around on those hind legs. Video of the fossil in the link below shows the location of the leg and toes. There's no evidence prehistoric snakes ever had the ability to walk around upright on two legs. I'm afraid this doesn't "confirm" the biblical account, let alone a talking snake. BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Ancient serpent shows its leg
It's well known that snakes, even today, have vestigial limbs. Once in a while, one shows up with a limb, such as the one killed in Chiina. Evidently this one not only had a leg, but toes and claws. It's said an autopsy was to be done on the snake at the Life Sciences Department at China's West Normal University in Nanchang. I haven't heard anything about the outcome. I'd guess it's probably just a freak, but it's also possible it could be a clever hoax. Snake with foot found in China - Telegraph
Some snakes today, such as boas and pythons, still retain vestigial limb buds which can be seen, usually as a lump, and sometimes as a tiny claw.
Darwin | American Museum of Natural History (http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution/vestigial.php - broken link)
By the way, where does it say in the bible that the serpent was a snake?
Scripture indicates that snakes walked. And did not crawl on their belly. It is (MY BELIEF) they walked upright. Fossil evidence shows us that some of the ancient snakes had rear legs and hip vetebrae. Yet Scripture does mention in the same breath that snakes like the beast of the field will now crawl on their belly. It may be possible that snakes had four legs and not two. Yet so far the evidence only suggest two rear legs. Yet I feel the most important fact here, is that science has just come to the realization that snakes once had legs. Whereas the Bible understood that snakes had legs 3,000 years ago. Here again, science is just catching up to Scripture. And that's the funny thing about the Scriptures. They always seem to have these advanced tidbits of knowledge. And this knowledge existed before sciences big reveal, and before the appropriate time.
The Hebrew word for serpent is nachash, and the Greek equivalent is ophis. Which interpreted means, snake.
Last edited by Campbell34; 11-28-2010 at 06:31 AM..
What! snakes had legs. Wow! Look, I learned that in school 50 years ago in biology, just look at the modern snake's makeup. Not sure what century the poster of this thread is living in. Perhaps a junior HS science class is in order.
Point is really that the Bible is taken on faith. If you are caught up in disuptes about it, you lack faith and you miss the point of science for the last 500 years - to explain the natural world without reference to the Allmighty.
And if you lived 3,000 years ago, the Bible would of told you the samething. And that was before your science existed.LOL
The E.din is not in Israel, it is in Kuwait, and that doesn't matter either since it had long been extinct before the Sumerians recorded the events known as the "Fall of Man" that the Hebrews plagiarized and perverted.
Ewww, that's very 1950-ish. To bring you up to speed to the 21st Century they use Potassium-Argon.
Also, to properly school you in real science C-14 is used to date organic material and never used to date fossilized material since, um, fossils by definition do not have organic material.
I'm going to assume you're still researching that instead of having forfeited. While you're at it, maybe you can score some brownie points with your god by helping him out, because your god is confused on yet another issue. He says Jacob bought Sheckem for 100 Shekels then later he says Simeon and Levi and their followers killed all the men of Sheckem after they had been temporarily mobilized by circumcision.
That presents a bit of a poser, because the 'E' writer says the Hebrews bought Sheckem, while the 'J' writer says the Hebrews slaughtered the inhabitants and took it over.
Certainly you can see the problem. Imagine if in addition to the story that the Dutch bought Manhattan Island for $24 from the local indigenous people, another story said the Dutch murdered all the indigenous people on Manhattan Island.
We would have a real issue about how Manhattan Island was really acquired.
You know if you studied a real bible instead of the K-weer Jimi Vision you might actually learn something.
But I guess that's the whole point, isn't it? You don't really want to learn anything. You just want to thump your bible and make ridiculous statements then, when your called out and people dump tons of evidence on you, you claim you're being persecuted so you can proudly display your Persecution Badge prominently on your outer garments.
You can't see that your bible is three separate religions and religious beliefs merged together, because you're using a grotesquely faulty text; or because you don't want to; or because you just don't have the intelligence to understand.
Even using a faulty text like the K-weer Jimi Vision, how can one possibly fail to notice that the use of Mount Horeb and Mount Sinai?
I just can't fathom how someone could "study" the bible, especially for as long as you claim to have done so, and not notice that. And those are two different places and two very distinct mountains (and one is associated with Ugarit/Canaanite mythology and pantheons -- wanna guess which one?).
The write who consistently refers to Mount Horeb also does something else, he always refers to outsiders as Amorites. Never once does he ever refer to them as Canaanites.
That is exactly opposite the 'J' writer who never once mentions Amorites. He always exclusively refers to non-Hebrews as Canaanites.
And then if you have half a brain, you'd notice something else. How does your deity communicate with people. For the 'E' writer it is always through dreams and visions, or through melachim, which is a Sumerian word that means "messengers" and which christians have corrupted and parlayed into a very nice business of "angles." I'm sure your god would be proud of their business acumen.
For 'J' your god never communicates through dreams and visions or melachim. In the 'J' stories, god always takes on an anthropomorphic form like a burning bush or a talking ass or a stinking cloud of hydrogen sulfide.
How can you not possibly notice that?
The heroes of 'E' are the northern tribes, especially Ephraim, and he loves the Judges, but he hates the monarchy, he hates Judah, and he hates the tribe/clan of Judah, yet even so, he won't slander Judah or any of the southern tribes/clans.
'J' loves the monarchy, disrespects the Judges, loves Judah and the tribe/clan of Judah, and worships David and Solomon the Idiot.
But there's a bit of a problem. To justify Judah has controlling the monarchy, he has to be in the proper position, and he isn't. So 'J' launches into a series of stories to position Judah properly. He says the first-born Reuben slept with one of Jacob's concubines, and that disqualifies Reuben from the inheritance.
But now Simeon and Levi are in the way, so 'J' says Simeon and Levi killed the men of Sheckem, and that disqualifies them and makes Judah next in line for the inheritance and justifies Judah for the monarchy.
That's politics, not religion.
Going back to Joseph, who saves Joseph? 'E' says it was Reuben. According to 'E' it was Reuben who prevented Joseph from being killed by his brothers and suggested that Joseph should be sold to the passing caravan.
'J' tells a different story. He says it was Judah who intervened, and suggested that Joseph be thrown in an abandoned well and not killed and not sold to passing caravan (and the caravan appears later in the 'J' story).
'J' always tries to cast Judah in the most favorable light, even though Judah was a turd. Judah bangs a prostitute, and then his sons, well, Yahoo murders one for being "wicked" (whatever that means) and then Yahoo murders Onan for "spilling his seed on the ground."
If Yahoo wanted the woman to get pregnant, he could have done it himself or he he could have farted and made her pregnant.
And it's kind of silly, I mean your all-knowing god didn't know Onan would refuse to have sex with his brother's wife? So, Yahoo knew Onan would refuse, and Yahoo knew he would murder Onan, but he asks Onan anyway.
You claim Moses wrote the bible, then explain why the phrase "the Lord your God" only appears in Deuteronomy and the Deuteronomic Histories (which were written long after Moses died). You probably never even noticed that despite your years of "study."
Why don't you explain why only 'P' uses the Akkadian phrase El Shaddai who also happens to be an Ugarit god of fertility and why the name of El Shaddai is used exclusively for fertility and blessing? "P' is also the exclusive source for all of Hebrew mythology and pre-history, which is nothing more than corrupted versions of Sumerian-Akkadian mythology. I guess it never donned on you that Terah (the father of Abrahm and Abrahm's half-sister wife Serai) was a priest first in the city of Nippur in Akkad and then later in the city of Ur in Akkad.
I guess it would be too much to ask for you to see a connection.
Maybe you should consider going back to school. C-14 is still being used today, and they have tested dinosaur bones that are unfossilized. And it would be untrue to suggest that fossils are never found with organic material in them. I hope you come up to speed on this reality. However, the topic is on the snake fossil discovery that is helping to confirm the Biblical account.
Campbell, the muslims are seeing the same science in their Quran. Does that mean their Qur'an is correct too?
The true author of the Quran was the serpent in the garden, so naturally he would be aware of the account. The Quran is just describing the same event from an opposing viewpoint. However, with more of a diabolical spin.
Last edited by Campbell34; 11-28-2010 at 07:21 AM..
The true author of the Quran was the serpent in the garden, so naturally he would be aware of the account. The Quran is just describing the same event from an opposing viewpoint. However, with more of a diabolical spin.
I am not talking about this event specifically. I am talking about muslims using the so called science they see in their Quran to prove their books truth.
Muslims say the same thing. Science in the modern world is proven and written about so now Muslims see ayats in the Quran that are somehow connected to modern science and they use that to prove the truthfulness of their book.
The true author was not the serpent in the garden. Muhammad was very aware of the bible and he was in contact with Christians. He was versed in the bible due to that. He also got many of the stories turned around. Whether he did that on purpose is the question. Certainly there are bible stories that don't match either. So if stories are changed is it due to there being different writers, or the writer having an agenda?
I am not talking about this event specifically. I am talking about muslims using the so called science they see in their Quran to prove their books truth.
Muslims say the same thing. Science in the modern world is proven and written about so now Muslims see ayats in the Quran that are somehow connected to modern science and they use that to prove the truthfulness of their book.
The true author was not the serpent in the garden. Muhammad was very aware of the bible and he was in contact with Christians. He was versed in the bible due to that. He also got many of the stories turned around. Whether he did that on purpose is the question. Certainly there are bible stories that don't match either. So if stories are changed is it due to there being different writers, or the writer having an agenda?
When I say the true author I was speaking of the one that Muhammad followed and believed in. The one that motivated him to write what he did. Muslims may say some of the same things. Yet most of what I have experienced from their side has little to do with science. Naturally being a little more detailed on the topic would allow me to give a better responce. Yet the topic is on the fossil discovery and the Biblical account.
My dear, the Bible did not exist 3,000 years ago. Codificaiton of what became the Bible happened a thousand years later.
Oh please, the Book of Gensis was written around 1450 B.C. And the story of the Serpent in the garden will be found in that book. I am not concerned so much with Codification as I am with the existance of the written word in regards to the Gensis account.
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