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Really, I was not aware of this. I looked at that link and could not find a scripture reference teaching heliocentrism. What I am aware of is that whenever scripture touches on cosmology, it reflected the ANE cosmologies. It is easy to make a case for geocentric cosmological model in scripture, but I have yet to find a positive case for heliocentrism.
the woman doesn't seem the least bit weirded out by this. How do you 'splain that?
Who knows? Maybe there was a universal language, maybe communications were different before languages were split and given as described later in Genesis. Bottom line, whatever the means, the Bible says the snake spoke to eve and I believe it. It could have been wrapped around the fruit, at the base of the tree or heck even shaped like a huge neon arrow pointing at the fruit, but something about the snake 'spoke' to Eve and led her to cross the line from temptation to sin.
How do I know?
God said so.
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Are you suggesting that God tempted Eve to Original Sin via the snake?
No, I don't think God tempts. I believe Eve was tempted via the snake though, just as the Bible teaches.
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Or is there perhaps more going on here than a 100% literal interpretation allows?
I'm sure there's things happening that are not recorded, but I think a 100% literal interpretation allows for that, too.
What the Pope said is the same stuff I learned in Catholic School in the 60s. Nothing new there, just better communication across various groups.
Very true...we were taught that the old testament was allagorical -- Noahs Arc, the garden of eden....just a neat way to get a message across. After all, that was the manner that Jesus taught best in.
Really, I was not aware of this. I looked at that link and could not find a scripture reference teaching heliocentrism. What I am aware of is that whenever scripture touches on cosmology, it reflected the ANE cosmologies. It is easy to make a case for geocentric cosmological model in scripture, but I have yet to find a positive case for heliocentrism.
Rightly dividing the word of truth plays a part in the way people interpret scripture. When reading about Joshua's long day, it is given from the person's perspective, an earth-bound point of view -- just as when we say the sun rises and the sun sets... it actually does neither, but that is how we describe our perception of the event.
When the long day occurred, Joshua only needed extra daylight. So if the bible implied the sun revolved around the earth, as many ancient cultures believed at the time, then only the sun needed to be still. However, as the bible accurately records the sun and moon both stood still, which falls in line with heliocentric views. This event is also verifed by ancient cultures on the other side of the planet having record of a 'long night'.
Very true...we were taught that the old testament was allagorical -- Noahs Arc, the garden of eden....just a neat way to get a message across. After all, that was the manner that Jesus taught best in.
That's right. We were also encouraged to question the priest about anything we couldn't grasp. Not sure if that was the case in all Catholic schools back then but it was in ours.
Rightly dividing the word of truth plays a part in the way people interpret scripture. When reading about Joshua's long day, it is given from the person's perspective, an earth-bound point of view -- just as when we say the sun rises and the sun sets... it actually does neither, but that is how we describe our perception of the event.
When the long day occurred, Joshua only needed extra daylight. So if the bible implied the sun revolved around the earth, as many ancient cultures believed at the time, then only the sun needed to be still. However, as the bible accurately records the sun and moon both stood still, which falls in line with heliocentric views. This event is also verifed by ancient cultures on the other side of the planet having record of a 'long night'.
Actually that is a case for the Geocentric model that they held to be the way the cosmos operated. Taken literally, since scripture says that the earth is fixed, the Sun standing still for a time, would imply that the sun is what is, at all other times doing, the moving, not the earth. This is what they believed. Scripture didn't say that the earth stopped rotating. AiG is really stretching it. Don't rely on them. I posted info on the Hebrew's Cosmology that explained this. I still have yet to see any scripture that indicated a heliocentric solar system. But why should we expect it to, since it was written accomodating the ANE cosmology.
I take the Bible account in Genesis to be an accurate historical account. If the Bible is inspired by God...why wouldn't he have explained that from one beast came another, man came from the beast, etc? Instead he said that he formed the man out of dust from the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, everything was created according to its kind. That is different than evolving.
Jesus did teach using illustrations but it was clear that he was making an illustration. The Bible uses all styles of writing...poetry, visions and interpretations, prophesies, and historical accounts (and its all to be taken literal in the sense that it is credible). The account in Genesis seems to be a historical account.
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