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So I guess giving you scientific reasons why the Bible is full of nonsense is pretty much a waste of time.
It would be, yes. Science is always proving itself wrong, but God's Word never changes. When I meet a science worshipper (and that's what many are) I ask them which science they believe in: the science of today? The science of 100 years ago? The science of the future? They are all different. Just last week the nature of black holes changed again, and coffee became good for children.
It would be, yes. Science is always proving itself wrong, but God's Word never changes. When I meet a science worshipper (and that's what many are) I ask them which science they believe in: the science of today? The science of 100 years ago? The science of the future? They are all different. Just last week the nature of black holes changed again, and coffee became good for children.
What I've discovered is that science is only wrong when it contradicts scripture. The science itself isn't wrong. You yourself used a number you claimed to be espoused by geologists - so why are your geologists right and mine are wrong? See what I mean? The science you use falls under the same standard as the science I use and unlike Christians, I claim your science is wrong because ... the science is wrong, not because it conflicts with centuries-old dogma.
But I'm still waiting for someone to give me one example when science had to move aside and allow religion to give us all the answers. Just one event, one aspect of our world that can only be explained through magic and the supernatural. Has that happened yet? Of course not, so why would I bet on religion being right when it never has been before? No matter how often science might be wrong, if it was right even once, that is one more time than religion has ever been.
And I'm pretty certain you quite often trust your life to science whether you realize it or not. Why aren't the mechanics of flight completely wrong? Why isn't the healing nature of penacillon completely wrong? Why isn't the chemistry that causes fires completely wrong? You can't just pick and choose the science YOU think is right based on a book written during a time when there was no science, and the inhabitants of the time saw demons and monsters and terrifying bogeymen always lurking just beyond the range of their fires.
I sure wish we could move past that; if only our beliefs could be as advanced as our technology.
We are born with a sin nature due to Adam's original sin. I'm not glorifying Satan. Jesus himself told us that Satan is lord of this world. When Satan offered Jesus all the cities and nations of the Earth if he would worship Satan, Jesus refused the offer, but he didn't deny that Satan had those possessions to offer. Satan is defeated, but he still controls earth. He will control earth until Jesus returns and establishes His Kingdom on Earth.
The defeated control nothing. If Satan is defeated in any meaningful sense of that word, then he is powerless. Yet you say that he animates our very nature, lo, these 2,000 years after the atoning work of Christ that was supposed to free us from all that. That brings more glory to Satan than to God from where I sit.
But the Bible speaks out of both sides of its metaphorical mouth all the time like that. God is not willing that any should perish, and yet, by evangelical theology, most of humanity for most of human history has perished nonetheless and after all this time only 32% of the world is even self-identified as Christian, which ignores that many of them don't subscribe to your particular views on sin and salvation or are just cultural Christians. God can't market his product well enough to convince more than a tattered remnant in any given age. And even they struggle with the supposedly vanquished "sin nature". That's quite a compelling proposition there!
Originally Posted by Bideshi You guys have such useless responses. Give me an example of an untruth in the Bible so I can respond to it.
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Originally Posted by TroutDude
Genesis.
Nativity.
Resurrection.
Exodus.
Tyre, Babylon.
The Shekel -eating fish.
Sinking Simon.
and most of the rest of the Book..
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Originally Posted by Bideshi It would be, yes. Science is always proving itself wrong, but God's Word never changes. When I meet a science worshipper (and that's what many are) I ask them which science they believe in: the science of today? The science of 100 years ago? The science of the future? They are all different. Just last week the nature of black holes changed again, and coffee became good for children.
This is actually the reason why science is more reliable. The science of 100 years ago - Newton, Copernicus, is as valid as was then. Medicine is still right with circulation, immunisation and every discovery since.
All that religion has is proof that the cosmos does not revolve around the Flat earth and you do not cure people with casting out devils.
The religious who want to discredit the science that they see as undermining religious faith of course leap on the reappraisal of facts, like rethinking the status of Pluto or what a Black hole does - but Pluto and the black holes are as true as they were since science discovered them.Religion on the other hand is always moving on, reluctantly, in the wake of popular thought, while claiming that it never really changed its mind about anything at all.
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Originally Posted by Bideshi Geologists tell us that the Himalayas were formed only about 10,000 years ago.
Last I looked, it was 50 million years ago, not 10,000. Response will be 'how do they know?' Response to that is 'how do the ones Bideshi quoted know it was 10,000?' Let me guess. Because that is the guesswork date of Genesis - literalist Creation.
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Don't bother, Ceist. He's built a total immunity to science, logic and reason.
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