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Typical response of someone who can't back up their claims, or who has delusions of grandeur. If it will someday be revealed to all of us then why be so put off?
The problem with the wise is they are so filled with doubts while the dull are so certain.-- Bertrand Russell
The point of having an open mind, like having an open mouth, is to close it on something solid. --G.K. Chesterton
I can back up my claims but you do not want to listen. (Remember roll eyes)Also when I asked you question you informed me that I am off topic. You will not answer a question that you believe threatens your whole belief system. I would recommend you pick up a history book.
Here is my final question please tell me how Christianity started. I am talking true history? (Why I said Christianity is Lutherans are Christians)
No posts since August? that's too bad. ELS member here and I enjoyed many of your answers Travis. Sorry that the thread went downhill. I don't know if was serious in his posting, requesting information with an open mind or not. It didn't seem like it. But alas. Should you need a conference for any answers drop me a line!
Here is my final question please tell me how Christianity started. I am talking true history? (Why I said Christianity is Lutherans are Christians)
Since that is an easy one, I will field that question since Travis seems to have gone for a while.
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Matthew 28:
5. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.
6. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay."
That is the first time the message of salvation was spoken. Technically the women were the first Christians. Of course they weren't called that in the beginning. Early Christians simply called themselves Disciples and Teachers of The Way.
The term "Christian," or "Christianos" for the Romanized original Greek version, originated in Antioch as we are told from Acts 11:26
26. and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
And as for the history of the early church, it is well documented within the pages of the New Testament as well as various non-scriptural period writings and traditions.
I have now been told by both a Wisconsin Synod pastor and a Missouri Synod paster that if you don't believe exactly what they believe and how they worship, you will go to hell.
What's the story on that? I wasn't a very good Lutheran when I heard the Wisconsin Synod pastor say that and I just heard the Missouri Synod pastor echo his words. I have to admit when I first heard the Wisconsin Synod pastor, I wasn't a very religious Lutheran. But when I heard that from the mouth of the Lutheran Wisconsin Synod pastor, I pretty much "excommunicated" myself from the Lutheran Church. I have long since come back home and converted to Catholicism.
I just found that to be so arrogant and intolerant. Is what I mentioned in the first paragraph a common belief in the Lutheran faith? I believe I was Lutheran Church of America when I was a kid, and I don't remember hearing that.
As far as I'm aware, that belief isn't even that common in the Missouri Synod these days. I don't have a whole lot of experience with the Wisconsin Synod, but I do know that they are somewhat more conservative than Missouri. What was the question itself? I know some LCMS clergy who might be able to shed some light on how typical an answer that is.
The breakdown of the bigger synods kind of goes as follows (from my point of view) on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being more liberal, 1 being more conservative. :
The ELCA (formerly the LCA and ALC) varies from 5 to 10.
The LCMS (Missouri Synod) varies from 3 to 6.
The WELS (Wisconsin Synod) varies from 1 to 3.
As far as I'm aware, that belief isn't even that common in the Missouri Synod these days. I don't have a whole lot of experience with the Wisconsin Synod, but I do know that they are somewhat more conservative than Missouri. What was the question itself? I know some LCMS clergy who might be able to shed some light on how typical an answer that is.
The breakdown of the bigger synods kind of goes as follows (from my point of view) on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being more liberal, 1 being more conservative. :
The ELCA (formerly the LCA and ALC) varies from 5 to 10.
The LCMS (Missouri Synod) varies from 3 to 6.
The WELS (Wisconsin Synod) varies from 1 to 3.
The question is: Does some or all of the Lutheran Church believe if you don't believe exactly what they believe and how they worship, you will go to hell?
The best answer I can give is: It would have to be a significant minority that says that if you don't believe exactly as they do that you'll go to hell. Most would say that salvation is through Christ alone; but to say that you have to unconditionally subscribe to the Lutheran Confessions for salvation is pretty much fanatical and I would say anti-Biblical.
From my experience, it's definitely a very atypical doctrine, but I guess it doesn't entirely surprise me. Every belief (even non-belief) has its Taliban.
I roughly agree with your numerals. Any opinion on a difference in ELCA having resulted from mergers, while the others are the product of fragmentation?
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Lutherans and Hell
