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More and more I believe evolution certainly existed, yet I see it as going the oppisite way than most. I think things are evolving less and less, not more and more; so evolution is more reserved and limited than it used to be. When evolution appeared, emergant evolution, it was at its strongest obviously during the times of Primordal man. And I think evolution in Primordal man is evidence of God changing early man many times. Not from animal to human, but human to human, in one form and shape to another.
As the Archaeologist has worked back he has not found traces of civilization ceasing altogether and " Ape Man" appearing, nor has he found skeletons or skeletal patterns which reveal changes from a chimp skeleton to a human skeleton; every skeleton that I have seen is complettely human, or more within the range of human than ape. Man is Man, and has been man no matter how far back we go.
Even with prehistoric animals, I see a reserved type of reverse evolution; from big to smaller, from exagerated to more simple. Dinosauer to dog, Teradacto to bird; it seems more like a reserved evolution to me; things being designed for " Future use" or future patterns to be settled on and the evolution decreased, not increased.
So I see an evolution that is more a resignation, becomming more submissive as time emerges. And not that it has even now totally disappeared, but it is now so resigned, it is minor at best. Evolution now has no resilience, no capacity to spring back to its primordal emergence- which was far more powerful.
So evolution is yeilding, I think residual; Reserved. I think human consciousness is yet still actively evolving and is not reserved.
There have been some archiological finds in some secret circles which date back before the stone age..supposedly..and these findings show a advanced techology in cutting super large stones and lifiting them onto one anohter to form a complex...so design, planning, and geometry??? all tell a different story in our capacity and form back in time...as HUMAN...More than we evolved from X, one they now teach as true?....the primordial soup theory has never been proven fact for some or all life...as it has never been observed from that state to us or them....and or a big bang explanison which to my minds does not result in ordered galaxies in any possibe way...unless that explosion was controlled to a very exacting scale or force of wil on all priciples particles, and subparticles.....to make what is now before us...
If you can just put plausable thinking into play...with what we have..and what they have hidden..and what they will lie about....the vail comes off a bit more...was something unwanted (Satan) Cast down from the heavens?,,,and when was that done?...according to biblical explaination...Adam and Eve are the liars or helpers of that liar.....perhaps?...and or this Satan or lucifier entity was once with God the designer?/...the entity who tempted Eve, surely knew language, and possibly other learned things of the designer in the Beginning?....perhaps before the liar lied..God and Satan were working together?...and in knowing certain building practices, and being cast down to the earth with them and all living things.....lucifier teachs them and their children how to live on Planet Earth in sin....perhaps??....and then enslave them to do X, Y, Z..in a alternate plane or to make one of anti existance...kinda like the anti reality to where God intended them to be...I would say...perhaps..plausible.?
Gotta keep the thinking on this more open minded...as some of what is written in the Bible is coming true...well after its conception...perhaps someone is fulfilling what needs to be fulfilled.....and about time?...plausable cause and effect...We were designed to tend and keep something for all times...not just the now...was the Desinger / keeper first born..(God)...then the creation?...how can one have a creation without the creator?.....hmmm...was it a big bang?...and how does chaos align itself into such universe without some form of control?...it cannot be said it is randum..as there are way too many Galaxies before our very eyes....so in some cases...Galaxies are formed by or in the universe we are in...and sometimes they are ripped apart...again controlled chaos does not seem to be applicable to this changing of states....but it is happening...is it evolutionary?....and can humans in sin (spinning in the wrong direction continually) rap their heads around it all?....hmmm?....if evolution was naturally occuring for this world due to climatic change or such or just as nature intended it to be.., it should remain constant...and this is not constant...so the theory is busted...it cannot become fact...For truth continues to be always true...it cannot not be true...for without truth..there is only chaos.
There have been some archiological finds in some secret circles which date back before the stone age..supposedly..and these findings show a advanced techology in cutting super large stones and lifiting them onto one anohter to form a complex...so design, planning, and geometry??? all tell a different story in our capacity and form back in time...as HUMAN...More than we evolved from X, one they now teach as true?....the primordial soup theory has never been proven fact for some or all life...as it has never been observed from that state to us or them....and or a big bang explanison which to my minds does not result in ordered galaxies in any possibe way...unless that explosion was controlled to a very exacting scale or force of wil on all priciples particles, and subparticles.....to make what is now before us...
If you can just put plausable thinking into play...with what we have..and what they have hidden..and what they will lie about....the vail comes off a bit more...was something unwanted (Satan) Cast down from the heavens?,,,and when was that done?...according to biblical explaination...Adam and Eve are the liars or helpers of that liar.....perhaps?...and or this Satan or lucifier entity was once with God the designer?/...the entity who tempted Eve, surely knew language, and possibly other learned things of the designer in the Beginning?....perhaps before the liar lied..God and Satan were working together?...and in knowing certain building practices, and being cast down to the earth with them and all living things.....lucifier teachs them and their children how to live on Planet Earth in sin....perhaps??....and then enslave them to do X, Y, Z..in a alternate plane or to make one of anti existance...kinda like the anti reality to where God intended them to be...I would say...perhaps..plausible.?
Gotta keep the thinking on this more open minded...as some of what is written in the Bible is coming true...well after its conception...perhaps someone is fulfilling what needs to be fulfilled.....and about time?...plausable cause and effect...We were designed to tend and keep something for all times...not just the now...was the Desinger / keeper first born..(God)...then the creation?...how can one have a creation without the creator?.....hmmm...was it a big bang?...and how does chaos align itself into such universe without some form of control?...it cannot be said it is randum..as there are way too many Galaxies before our very eyes....so in some cases...Galaxies are formed by or in the universe we are in...and sometimes they are ripped apart...again controlled chaos does not seem to be applicable to this changing of states....but it is happening...is it evolutionary?....and can humans in sin (spinning in the wrong direction continually) rap their heads around it all?....hmmm?....if evolution was naturally occuring for this world due to climatic change or such or just as nature intended it to be.., it should remain constant...and this is not constant...so the theory is busted...it cannot become fact...For truth continues to be always true...it cannot not be true...for without truth..there is only chaos.
Lucifer is not satan, thats a myth, and satan has never worked together with God in a spirit of cooperation, Jesus said he was a liar from his conception and the father of lies. And God created evolution, just not the scientific defined evolution.
Outside of these things, I agree with the rest of your post.
The problem is insisting using "the" creator instead of "a" creator and then exalting the word create into something more than it is. Create: to make; the sun creates sun spots. The sun is not divine.
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how does chaos align itself into such universe without some form of control?.
By the way before you get all bent out of shape because the Higgs-Boson is sometimes referred to as the God Particle, Higgs originally named it the Goddamn Particle because of its previous illusiveness, but his editor changed it to just to god.
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Galaxies are formed by or in the universe we are in...and sometimes they are ripped apart...again controlled chaos
Nothing particular controlled about the chance formation of a galaxy anymore than the chance that a galaxy will ripped apart by a collision with another or be ripped apart by pass within the gravitational pull of a black hole.
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can humans in sin (spinning in the wrong direction continually) rap their heads around it all?....
If they spend less time contemplating sin and sky gods, it is more than possible to wrap one's head around the science that describes our world and universe.
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if evolution was naturally occuring for this world due to climatic change or such or just as nature intended it to be.., it should remain constant...and this is not constant...so the theory is busted...it cannot become fact...For truth continues to be always true...it cannot not be true...for without truth..there is only chaos.
Whoa. What the frack is any of that suppose to mean
"Chance mutations" misunderstood yet again. What... it's too difficult to figure? Must be....
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if evolution was naturally occuring for this world due to climatic change or such or just as nature intended it to be.., it should remain constant...and this is not constant...so the theory is busted...it cannot become fact...For truth continues to be always true...it cannot not be true...for without truth..there is only chaos.
Then, in proper astonishment, ovcatto replies, as best as his apparently lower-level mind {} can imagine...
"Whoa. What the frack is any of that suppose to mean"
This "statement" {} by the ever errantly ebullient Sir Les, and another by The Big -E {where "E" = Error...} on a recently closed thread, go another step to confirm, by direct observation and documentation, and finally peer-review (after all, everyone can see it right here..), that these posters essentially know nothing about Evolution and its well-documented mechanisms.
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Brief Educational Note: definition: ADVANTAGE:
1. any state, circumstance, opportunity, or means specially favorable to success, interest, or any desired end: viz: "the advantage of a good education in the sciences."
2.benefit; gain; profit: viz: "It will be to his advantage to learn some basic ecology before posting again on C-D."
3. superiority or ascendancy (often followed by over or of ) viz: "His height gave him an observational advantage over his shorter brothers when in the tall grasses."
4. a position of superiority (often followed by over or of ): viz: "Their advantage as trained biologists over the uneducated public in matters of scientific complexity and common sense."
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And now, back to our story, with no further interruptions...
1) Evolution occurs when a chance-mutated organism is then tested by the environment, not by that organism's own pre-determined choice! Otherwise by choice we'd all be Al Einstein, the late great Chris Hitchens or Doc. Dawkins. You know, those folks of undisputed high IQ and eloquence?
2) When a random (i.e.: un-requested!!) change, such as a physical height increase, does provide some specific ADVANTAGE, durned if it doesn't then go on to provide just exactly that: an ADVANTAGE(Duhh. Am I moving too fast for some here?). One that is sustained {and even potentially built on! Wowzah! PTL!} in the animal's offspring, btw....
By example, a recent loonoid claim made by another "un-ed" had chimps "deciding" to grow taller and then claiming this process was exactly what "...scientists claim. I'm only repeating them!" Oh Blah blah blah! More outright mis-comprehension or worse: lies! If it wasn't logically so stupid a concept, it'd be hilarious! But such grossly purposeful, hateful and uneducated misinterpretations are no longer funny!
Actually and logically, a taller chimp would simply have an ADVANTAGE over his slightly shorter peers, and thus, having an ADVANTAGE, this reproduced and chemically memorized trait would obviously be passed on down to his offspring. And so, over several millennia, durned if'n the chimp (and the non-chimp pre-homind...) population didn't develop a more stable bipedal locomotion, a loss of tree-climbing specialization (minimization of tail, claws, shoulder muscles, etc.), and a general height advantage (see: humans! Wow, huh?)
I watched a NatGeo documentary last night on brown bears on Alaska: "Bear City". The big old male competitors in fighting for the availability of fertile females was pretty much due entirely on their larger physical stature. Thus, and logically, that ADVANTAGE bestowed this larger-size as the norm in all the offspring males. There simply were no short male bears on this site! After all, imagine being a short runt bear in a world where your chances for success came entirely by being bigger?
Or, in the case of chimps, taller?
3) The "rate" of Evolution depends on the subject organism and it's potential to adjust it's fit into the current, always changing, niches. It is NEVER constant, but rather ALWAYS selective, subjective and random. To think that Evolution must be constant is just plain, well, uneducated. Again.
Then, to go further and arrogantly and dismissively reverse this 180˚ and claim that "scientists tell us this is how it works, that chimps "decided" to "grow taller one day" (Oiy! Yikes! The utterly silly-dilly brainlessness of it all!!!) indeed confirms to an objective observer that a lot of DNA mutations, including those that control intelligence and common sense, must be random!
Some obviously inherit a significantly better fit, but a lot do not, and are thus doomed to a life of ill-stated ignorance and intransigence. And they seemingly love that status! I mean, who in their right minds would choose and direct themselves to be that incoherently illogical and seemingly proud of it?
And now, back to our story, with no further interruptions...
1) Evolution occurs when a chance-mutated organism is then tested by the environment, not by that organism's own pre-determined choice! Otherwise by choice we'd all be Al Einstein, the late great Chris Hitchens or Doc. Dawkins. You know, those folks of undisputed high IQ and eloquence?
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Einstein couldnot combine the gravitational aspect to electromagnetism, because the chance mutation was too unpredictable, they started breaking down Atoms into electrons and Protrons and saw it was far too complicated to place these sure minded theorys on such things that they couldnot predict;
Only the God who designed those things can control those things and give them a desired outcome.
And you should know that; Gods handywork will continue to stump science until they begin to include him in their research.
Einstein couldnot combine the gravitational aspect to electromagnetism, because the chance mutation was too unpredictable, they started breaking down Atoms into electrons and Protrons and saw it was far too complicated to place these sure minded theorys on such things that they couldnot predict;
Only the God who designed those things can control those things and give them a desired outcome.
And you should know that; Gods handywork will continue to stump science until they begin to include him in their research.
Yikes! Talk about being off my point and not "getting it"!! I was simply saying that if we could "decide" and direct our own Evolution, then of course we'd all pick up the checklist and add in "super intelligence", Greek God physique, no health issues (as in: a "primo" genotype), and so on. But that's certainly not how it works, or we'd all be all those things and more. I, for instance, would be able to get through your nuke-impermiable hardened mindset!
Anyhow, nope. We're just the product of trial and error testing of our chance genotype against the real world we are forced to live in. Saddly, tou know this, but won't admit it (unless you truly ARE a sap-headed moron, which I doubt...). Seems that one's intransigence must be defended at any cost, after all!
We can't include God in our research, since we deal with and hypothesize on "possibles" not "impossibles". We can't add Him into the cage of rats nor observe His behavior (Oh sorry, that's him, not Him. I promised myself I'd no longer provide imaginary and unearned kudos by capitalizing "him", as though he were a real and special "person". After all, how can a non-existant thing be "special"?)
Seems to me that the specialists @ the LHC, only just this last week, within your lifetime, Mickiel, confirmed (@ the 99% CI) the predicted existence of the seeming last necessary particle and associated field that explains a whole lot of the behavior of sub-atomic particles (SAPs), and thus will allow us to build on the Great Universal Theory!
I'm curious (hey; it's just the way I am! It's why I became a scientist/engineer!) Are you, Mickiel, willing to bet that, within the next, oh let's say, 20 years, there won't be some additional truly startling discoveries? BTW, science, being the great questioner, will NEVER provide all the answers. That was NEVER our stated goal, ever.
But, would you have us stop looking, Mickiel? Would you suppress the advancement of what we know or want to know? Would you have us toss out what we've learned and confirmed and documented in our existing great books of learning? Would you insert "God" into it all as "the end-all explanation of everything", and therefore quit trying to learn anything without such a mandatory dreary and outdated influence?
(Wow! Just think of where that would have left us today! The Spanish Inquisition mandated world-wide! Torture, death by stoning and public whippings for just thinking about things. And so on. How lovely!)
rifleman, I appreciate your thoughts on the post above. You use your mind well. I also appreciate Mickiel's thoughts as well. I think both your thoughts could co-exist.
The thing I worry about (not that I actually do worry about it but for the sake of this post it sounds good) is that once these scientists figure out more, will governments use this new knowledge for evil purposes? Hopefully it will be for good.
But I agree that we should always keep an open mind and be curious and research.
I just don't see how they can ever prove we came from that goofy looking guppy.
Yikes! Talk about being off my point and not "getting it"!! I was simply saying that if we could "decide" and direct our own Evolution, then of course we'd all pick up the checklist and add in "super intelligence", Greek God physique, no health issues (as in: a "primo" genotype), and so on. But that's certainly not how it works, or we'd all be all those things and more. I, for instance, would be able to get through your nuke-impermiable hardened mindset!
Anyhow, nope. We're just the product of trial and error testing of our chance genotype against the real world we are forced to live in. Saddly, tou know this, but won't admit it (unless you truly ARE a sap-headed moron, which I doubt...). Seems that one's intransigence must be defended at any cost, after all!
We can't include God in our research, since we deal with and hypothesize on "possibles" not "impossibles". We can't add Him into the cage of rats nor observe His behavior (Oh sorry, that's him, not Him. I promised myself I'd no longer provide imaginary and unearned kudos by capitalizing "him", as though he were a real and special "person". After all, how can a non-existant thing be "special"?)
Seems to me that the specialists @ the LHC, only just this last week, within your lifetime, Mickiel, confirmed (@ the 99% CI) the predicted existence of the seeming last necessary particle and associated field that explains a whole lot of the behavior of sub-atomic particles (SAPs), and thus will allow us to build on the Great Universal Theory!
I'm curious (hey; it's just the way I am! It's why I became a scientist/engineer!) Are you, Mickiel, willing to bet that, within the next, oh let's say, 20 years, there won't be some additional truly startling discoveries? BTW, science, being the great questioner, will NEVER provide all the answers. That was NEVER our stated goal, ever.
But, would you have us stop looking, Mickiel? Would you suppress the advancement of what we know or want to know? Would you have us toss out what we've learned and confirmed and documented in our existing great books of learning? Would you insert "God" into it all as "the end-all explanation of everything", and therefore quit trying to learn anything without such a mandatory dreary and outdated influence?
(Wow! Just think of where that would have left us today! The Spanish Inquisition mandated world-wide! Torture, death by stoning and public whippings for just thinking about things. And so on. How lovely!)
Oh science will include God, its their real final destiny; the more science finds out, the more closer they are getting to God; its academic. Its God thats revealing new knowledge to science!
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"Chance mutations" misunderstood yet again. What... it's too difficult to figure? Must be....
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