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Old 05-14-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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I accept that . . . but it is undoubtedly biased by the general equation of God with religion . . . and that is not relevant to the actual question that should be asked.
I disagree. Considering the fact that God is indeed generally equated with religion, it would highly misleading to include the "god" of Deism or pantheism into the question of belief in God. You just know that certain Christians will use the data to misrepresent the importance of their religion and take it out of context, just like they do with quotes from Einstein and Hawking.

It should be a seperate and specifically defined question.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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40% of scientists may play golf and like strawberry icecream as well. Who cares?

And believing in God doesn't mean they are ignorants who believe in the Bible or young earth/Biblical creationism.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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This is ridiculous. For one thing the co-writer of world scientist Hawking , insists that they are not giving personal beliefs when writing-representing....all you gotta do is listen The job of a scientist requires that the personal beliefs are left at the door...
For a real survey, the question must say, what is your belief...outside, of the job? Most are jammed with marking papers, course objectives, even on sabatical a chemist or physicist is running around working on projects. The whole effort is in admiration of creation. A tip of the hat. Just to give an example. My bros is a top world chemist with some world class contribution. He goes to church every sunday and when in Australia about a yr ago was staying at a chemists home who is a top chemist. Guess what, they both went to the same church, and it was a big event because as luck would have it, the Europ leader to the St Vincent de Pau; (charity) was there a group they both belong to , and had great un-expected introductions.

Also....you know what he does with a 10 day break with the family down on hilton head? He just floats on a little blow up raft in the ocean the whole time, maybe a little golf. Arguments, religion...theres no room for the crapola, its there, you can't root something out of someone with a brain without hard cold facts. Thats the problem, too much time and dilly dally with all the non-productive non-sense in the general public, now they are trying to smear the intellects with a survey...you know what a busy scientist would think of that sitting on his desk? they would barely read it... check check check check....now get outta my hair.

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Old 05-14-2012, 08:56 PM
 
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This is ridiculous. For one thing the co-writer of world scientist Hawking , insists that they are not giving personal beliefs when writing. The job of a scientist requires that the personal beliefs are left at the door...
For a real survey, the question must say, what is your belief...outside, of the job? Most are jammed with marking papers, course objectives, even on sabatical a chemist or physicist is running around working on projects. The whole effort is in admiration of creation. A tip of the hat. Just to give an example. My bros is a top world chemist with some world class contribution. He goes to church every sunday and when in Australia about a yr ago was staying at a chemists home who is a world leader. Guess what, they both went to the same church, and it was a big event because as luck would have it, the Europ leader to the St Vincent de Pau; (charity) was there a group they both belong to , and had great un-expected introductions.

Also....you know what he does with a 10 day break with the family down on hilton head? He just floats on a little blow up raft in the ocean the whole time, maybe a little golf. Arguments, religion...theres no room for the crapola, its there, you can't root something out of someone with a brain without hard cold facts. Thats the problem, too much time and dilly dally with all the non-productive non-sense.
In light of quantum physics, I can't believe the highlighted sentence is still believed. It's archaic.

Quantum physics proves that when you interact with an experiment, you change it. There is no such thing as "objectivity."
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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In light of quantum physics, I can't believe the highlighted sentence is still believed. It's archaic.

Quantum physics proves that when you interact with an experiment, you change it. There is no such thing as "objectivity."
Only at the quantum level, it doesn't apply to the macro world.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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Only at the quantum level, it doesn't apply to the macro world.
What are you talking about? It applies to every level of existence.

Ever heard of the "unified field theory." Geez.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
 
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Many scientists come from staunch religious families. Others want to believe there's an afterlife once they die, no matter what the facts actually suggest. Scientists are human after all.

So, it's not surprising that a certain percentage of scientists still believe in God and religion. But that doesn't change the reality that science and religion are essentially incompatible.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:19 PM
 
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I disagree. Considering the fact that God is indeed generally equated with religion, it would highly misleading to include the "god" of Deism or pantheism into the question of belief in God. You just know that certain Christians will use the data to misrepresent the importance of their religion and take it out of context, just like they do with quotes from Einstein and Hawking.
It should be a seperate and specifically defined question.
I respectfully disagree, Linda. The question concerns the EXISTENCE of God . . . NOT ANY specific beliefs ABOUT God. It is a simple question. What Christians or any other group seek to do with any answers is irrelevant.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
 
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John Hagelin, Ph.D on Consciousness 1 of 2 - YouTube
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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According to a survey of members of the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center in May and June this year, a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not.
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Only 41% of scientists don't believe in God.
Your claim would be more honest if it said that 51% of AMERICAN scientists have a belief in 'God'. I'm sure that if you surveyed scientist from all over the world you would get a very different result. America is not the whole world, nor does it reflect the opinions of the whole world....far from it!

Also, as another poster pointed out, how does the survey define 'scientist'? What about computer 'scientists' and mechanical engineers...does the survey count them as 'scientists'?


1. Of the scientists and engineers in the United States, only about 5% are creationists, according to a 1991 Gallup poll (Robinson 1995, Witham 1997). However, this number includes those working in fields not related to life origins (such as computer scientists, mechanical engineers, etc.). Taking into account only those working in the relevant fields of earth and life sciences, there are about 480,000 scientists, but only about 700 believe in "creation-science" or consider it a valid theory (Robinson 1995). This means that less than 0.15 percent of relevant scientists believe in creationism. And that is just in the United States, which has more creationists than any other industrialized country. In other countries, the number of relevant scientists who accept creationism drops to less than one tenth of 1 percent.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2114923AAPMK2D

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