Jews for Jesus (Messianic Jews) (Jehovah, genesis, prophecy, priest)
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Of course they believe in a second coming. Like I said, they have to or else their jesus is another failed messiah. If you are a "jew" then why would you care what the christians came up with in regards to their own "gospels"? That is not a part of jewish scripture. Saying that jesus WILL do such and such is meaningless. It just makes it clear that he didn't fulfill the role of the messiah. Do you not know the difference between having fulfilled the prophesies vs. will fulfill them in the future? Why should anyone refer to jesus as the messiah unless or until he has fulfilled the requirements? Actually, in addition to jesus, there were other failed messiahs (some closer to meeting the requirements than him).
Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and he belief of his second coming appears based on the Hebrew Bible, as well as the Messianic Prophecies. His second coming has absolutely nothing to do about "have to" believe or else he will be a failed "Messiah". Ridiculous statement.
Most Jews today blindly do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah or else Judaism will die out. Because once the Messiah come then that's it. Keep waiting, no other Messiah but Jesus would come back.
and a reason some of us think you are a Christian.
What in Judaism or any religion except Christianity, indicates Jesus or any man would, or could die for our sins? That seems to be purely a Christian belief.
Because if you actually read the Hebrew Bible and Scriptures you would have known what role the Jewish Messiah would bring and happen and do. I don't understand why Islam 600 years after Christ comes up with accepting Jesus Christ as Messiah, believe in Virgin Birth and Second Coming, yet they deny his crucifixion and divinity. The Bible warns about upcoming false prophets, did you know that?
Some Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is HaShem / Yahweh.
Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and he belief of his second coming appears based on the Hebrew Bible, as well as the Messianic Prophecies. His second coming has absolutely nothing to do about "have to" believe or else he will be a failed "Messiah". Ridiculous statement.
Most Jews today blindly do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah or else Judaism will die out. Because once the Messiah come then that's it. Keep waiting, no other Messiah but Jesus would come back.
Jesus fulfilled all Messianic Prophecies, period.
ok, I'll play along.....where in the hebrew scripture is the mention of a second coming?
ok, I'll play along.....where in the hebrew scripture is the mention of a second coming?
The problem is that most Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah and that they are still awaiting for the first Messiah to come. If Jews had accepted Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism would have end and New Testament, the life of Jesus, the Messiah came. What us Messianic Jews believes and saying is that Jews can still pratice Judaism while believe in Christ, because Christ himself followed Judaism.
Isaiah 11:12 "He will raise an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead shall live, their bodies shall rise. O dwellers in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For thy dew is a dew of light, and on the land of the shades thou wilt let it fall.
Isaiah 26:21 - 27:1 For behold, the LORD is coming forth out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed upon her, and will no more cover her slain. In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.
2 Maccabees 7:9, (and 13, 14, 23, 29 ...you dismiss us from this present life, but the King of the universe will raise us up to an everlasting renewal of life, because we have died for His laws.
(and verses 13, 14, 23, 29)
2 Maccabees 12:44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
(1) if the Jews had accepted Jesus as the messiah then (if you trust the Gospels) he would not have been crucified and how then could his sacrifice have enabled the new covenant and overcoming sin? God's plan would have failed.
(2) those passages do not relate to Jesus, particularly Daniel which was related to the Maccabean revolt.
There is nothing in the OT that really for sure identifies Jesus ans a second coming.
(1) if the Jews had accepted Jesus as the messiah then (if you trust the Gospels) he would not have been crucified and how then could his sacrifice have enabled the new covenant and overcoming sin? God's plan would have failed.
(2) those passages do not relate to Jesus, particularly Daniel which was related to the Maccabean revolt.
There is nothing in the OT that really for sure identifies Jesus ans a second coming.
You tend to cherry pick...
Again, it seems like you never read the Hebrew Bible. See, this is the issue with many religious people (not only Jews); they know very little about their religion. It's not only enough calling yourself for "Jew", "Muslim" or "Christian" by name when you cherry pick or misunderstand the holy books/religious scriptures.
Jesus, the Messiah already came 2K years ago, and he will come back only God knows when.
You either believe it or not, I cannot force or convince anyone to do so. Keep your beliefs and I'm pretty sure you will enter heaven
Judaism avaits for upcoming Messiah (Messianic Jews, Christians and Muslims believe it is Jesus), and once Messiah arrived (of which he did 2 millenials ago) he will reappear once again (nobody knows when). This is on the Hebrew scriptures which I don't believe you read the whole book.
on the contrary I have more Jewish education than you I even attended a countermissionary course held by a local Jews for Judaism group. there is no no second coming In the Hebrew scriptures
and one criteria for the Jewish messiah is that he should be a descendant of David through Solomon your Jesus have no human father that make him an automatic fail. and spare this adoption line that's a cop out
You either believe it or not, I cannot force or convince anyone to do so. Keep your beliefs and I'm pretty sure you will enter heaven
Umm, we know you cannot force anyone to believe. What we are interested in is you attempting to provide the evidence for why you believe. So far you just keep throwing out claims and not substantiating them.
Your beliefs seem indistinguishable from Christianity, which is why your insistence that you are not Christian seems odd. Other than your stance on baptism (which is certainly not a universal requirement within Christianity), it what ways are you doctrinally separate from Christianity? Not that the Nicene creed is the definitive yardstick of Christianity, but it is a hand reference. In what ways do you depart from the Nicene creed?
Just for full disclosure, I don't think Judaism is any more or less correct than Christianity or Islam. I don't have a dog in this fight. That being said, if you believe that Jesus is in any sense divine or coequal with God, and died as a redemptive sacrifice for your sins, you seem to be operating from a Christian framework, baptism or no.
I am actually a bit curious, what form of Judaism did you follow before your conversion to "Messianic Judaism"? Were you religiously Jewish or was it strictly cultural?
Again, it seems like you never read the Hebrew Bible. See, this is the issue with many religious people (not only Jews); they know very little about their religion. It's not only enough calling yourself for "Jew", "Muslim" or "Christian" by name when you cherry pick or misunderstand the holy books/religious scriptures.
Jesus, the Messiah already came 2K years ago, and he will come back only God knows when.
You either believe it or not, I cannot force or convince anyone to do so. Keep your beliefs and I'm pretty sure you will enter heaven
the claim that Jews don't know their holybook and don't known their religion is an anti-jewish slur you don't even know jack about Judaism so you have no business making such anti-jewish claim. why don't you admit that you hate Jews for not believing in your man-god?
The problem is that most Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah and that they are still awaiting for the first Messiah to come. If Jews had accepted Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism would have end and New Testament, the life of Jesus, the Messiah came. What us Messianic Jews believes and saying is that Jews can still pratice Judaism while believe in Christ, because Christ himself followed Judaism.
Isaiah 11:12 "He will raise an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead shall live, their bodies shall rise. O dwellers in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For thy dew is a dew of light, and on the land of the shades thou wilt let it fall.
Isaiah 26:21 - 27:1 For behold, the LORD is coming forth out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed upon her, and will no more cover her slain. In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.
2 Maccabees 7:9, (and 13, 14, 23, 29 ...you dismiss us from this present life, but the King of the universe will raise us up to an everlasting renewal of life, because we have died for His laws.
(and verses 13, 14, 23, 29)
2 Maccabees 12:44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
Like I thought, none of this refers to a SECOND coming.....
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