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the fact that Christianity was built for Him, and up to this day many religion are sprouting based on His teachings. yes HE did. not to mention other religion though not acknowledging that He is God, acknowledge that He is only a prophet, is saying something.
The 4 British bullets that my grandfather carried in him to his grave 50 years after the HISTORICAL War of Independence. (or Anglo Irish War as it's sometimes called)
The photographs of him that were taken during that war.
What if he wasn't a big deal when he lived? There's no evidence in the Gospels that he was. A carpenter from the backwoods of the frontier, one of dozens of Jews preaching about a Messiah.
Do you think that if there really was a dude that raised people from the dead, walked on water, cured the sick, fed thousands with little food and still had loads left over, preached to multitudes so great that people were trampled in their haste to hear him and who's death allegedly caused earthquakes, an eclipse and dead saints to rise from the grave....he would have been an insignificant nobody that not one historian bothered to comment on?
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What historian in the 30s C.E. would possibly have cared?
Just about every one of them, if he had REALLY done what the Bible claims he did.
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So what does that prove?
That he was either....
1. An insignificant travelling rabbi who performed no supernatural acts.
2. He didn't exist.
3. The Bible is a lie.
or 4. The historians and chroniclers of that time and place didn't consider miracles to be anything out of the ordinary.
I know which ones I'd go for.
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the fact that Christianity was built for Him, and up to this day many religion are sprouting based on His teachings. yes HE did. not to mention other religion though not acknowledging that He is God, acknowledge that He is only a prophet, is saying something.
Do you think the teachings of this Jesus or Christianity were something new? I assure you they were not. The Buddha was saying pretty much what your Jesus was saying 500 years before anyone had ever heard of the Christian man-god.
The 4 British bullets that my grandfather carried in him to his grave 50 years after the HISTORICAL War of Independence. (or Anglo Irish War as it's sometimes called)
The photographs of him that were taken during that war.
Shall I go on?
Sorry . but ALL the narrative of the significance, meaning and import of anything about that time period is still hearsay. We can pick and choose who to believe, establish criteria for choosing who to believe . . . but it all comes down to who do you believe.
Do you think that if there really was a dude that raised people from the dead, walked on water, cured the sick, fed thousands with little food and still had loads left over, preached to multitudes so great that people were trampled in their haste to hear him and who's death allegedly caused earthquakes, an eclipse and dead saints to rise from the grave....he would have been an insignificant nobody that not one historian bothered to comment on?
Just about every one of them, if he had REALLY done what the Bible claims he did.
That he was either....
1. An insignificant travelling rabbi who performed no supernatural acts.
2. He didn't exist.
3. The Bible is a lie.
or 4. The historians and chroniclers of that time and place didn't consider miracles to be anything out of the ordinary.
I know which ones I'd go for.
That is clear from the start that you established your alternatives on what you prefer to believe. The option you ignore and refuse to place in context is that among the "literati" . . . no one gave a damn about anything but the powerful Roman Empire and what it did, was doing, and might do, etc.
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Do you think the teachings of this Jesus or Christianity were something new? I assure you they were not. The Buddha was saying pretty much what your Jesus was saying 500 years before anyone had ever heard of the Christian man-god.
That is the spiritual equivalent of saying the existence of the mastodon invalidates the existence of the elephant. Evolution is evolution whether physical or spiritual.
Do you think that if there really was a dude that raised people from the dead, walked on water, cured the sick, fed thousands with little food and still had loads left over, preached to multitudes so great that people were trampled in their haste to hear him and who's death allegedly caused earthquakes, an eclipse and dead saints to rise from the grave....he would have been an insignificant nobody that not one historian bothered to comment on?
Just about every one of them, if he had REALLY done what the Bible claims he did.
That he was either....
1. An insignificant travelling rabbi who performed no supernatural acts.
2. He didn't exist.
3. The Bible is a lie.
or 4. The historians and chroniclers of that time and place didn't consider miracles to be anything out of the ordinary.
I know which ones I'd go for.
Do you think the teachings of this Jesus or Christianity were something new? I assure you they were not. The Buddha was saying pretty much what your Jesus was saying 500 years before anyone had ever heard of the Christian man-god.
And did Buddha fulfill the 300 Old Testament prophecies like Christ did? And did Buddha die for the sins of the World?
And did Buddha fulfill the 300 Old Testament prophecies like Christ did?
Your Jesus didn't. If he had the Jews would believe he was the prophesied messiah. It was their prophecies after all. They would know if Jesus really was the one that they were expecting.
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And did Buddha die for the sins of the World?
You have no verifiable evidence that your Jesus did that. The Bible is all you have. It's not good enough. Sorry about that!
Your Jesus didn't. If he had the Jews would believe he was the prophesied messiah. It was their prophecies after all. They would know if Jesus really was the one that they were expecting.
You have no verifiable evidence that your Jesus did that. The Bible is all you have. It's not good enough. Sorry about that!
Sorry, but the Old Testament prophecies stated that the Jewish people would reject their own Messiah when He appeared. You really need to brush up on those Old Testament prophecies before you speak.
Everything I read points to his existence and story being a myth or in my view the greatest fraud in human history. When matched to other known events in history the myth just does not match even to the level of being possible.
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