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Fred phelps is a backwoods dirtbag. I dont care what issues you have against homosexuals.. you NEVER disrespect a young man who has fallen in the line of duty. They are doing us a favor (you too old fred)and fighting for our freedom. This kind of bastard shouldn't be allowed to do this crap but he is protected by the whole free speech garbage (give me a fu**ing break). I am about to lose my mind becuase i cannot begin to comprehend why he would protest a striaght soldiers funeral becuase he "fought for a country that supports homosexuality". Get the hell out of here fred, becuase you have done nothing productive except give birth to some ugly sheltered red neck children who will do nothing but keep this joke of a church alive when your old ass croaks. I hope you burn in hell old man, becuase you are the exact kind of person who makes this country a friggen joke. God bless all my peers who are overseas, becuase thanks to them i am free to be a full time union member and college student. I live comfortably becuase of the men and women who die day in and day out to keep us safe. I am coming to your church freddy, just wait old man.
Something that bothers me about this whole "They're not real Christians" thing is that religious people never fail to make claims that people are "Not real Christians, not real Muslims, etc... etc.." It seems to me that with all of the rampant abuse of the Bible, Koran, etc... that that is in fact Christianity, or that is in fact Islam. Who are you (anyone in particular) to determine who or what a Christian is? Just because it doesn't fit into your particular little model of what you believe a Christian is doesn't mean that others aren't Christians. I've always thought that Christians believed that Jesus died for their sins and rose on the third day and they accepted him into their hearts?? To my knowledge, the WBC doesn't say anything like that. Yes, their practices are rather horrible and despicable, and from what I understand about Jesus, don't necessarily go along with his teachings.
However, I thought the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross was allegedly so that we could be forgiven of our sins? So, I'm in a bit of a conundrum... aren't they REALLY Christians? Are their "sins" on a greater scale in your god's eyes than what a typical human does in his/her life? Sure, they may not act as Jesus would hope, but then again, find me a person who does... So, I dare say, that they are indeed Christians however much you Christians may not like that idea.
That being said, I think the WBC is a despicable organization. I'm really hoping that Rev. Phelps gets busted for tax evasion or some other crime and his organization gets shut down.
Something that bothers me about this whole "They're not real Christians" thing is that religious people never fail to make claims that people are "Not real Christians, not real Muslims, etc... etc.." It seems to me that with all of the rampant abuse of the Bible, Koran, etc... that that is in fact Christianity, or that is in fact Islam. Who are you (anyone in particular) to determine who or what a Christian is? Just because it doesn't fit into your particular little model of what you believe a Christian is doesn't mean that others aren't Christians. I've always thought that Christians believed that Jesus died for their sins and rose on the third day and they accepted him into their hearts?? To my knowledge, the WBC doesn't say anything like that. Yes, their practices are rather horrible and despicable, and from what I understand about Jesus, don't necessarily go along with his teachings.
However, I thought the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross was allegedly so that we could be forgiven of our sins? So, I'm in a bit of a conundrum... aren't they REALLY Christians? Are their "sins" on a greater scale in your god's eyes than what a typical human does in his/her life? Sure, they may not act as Jesus would hope, but then again, find me a person who does... So, I dare say, that they are indeed Christians however much you Christians may not like that idea.
That being said, I think the WBC is a despicable organization. I'm really hoping that Rev. Phelps gets busted for tax evasion or some other crime and his organization gets shut down.
Matthew 7:16-20
16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
This is how we as Christians can tell whether or not others who call themselves Christians, are truly what they claim to be. I can't see the WBC bearing much good fruit, therefore I don't consider them to be a true Christian church....simple as that.
Matthew 7:16-20
16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
This is how we as Christians can tell whether or not others who call themselves Christians, are truly what they claim to be. I can't see the WBC bearing much good fruit, therefore I don't consider them to be a true Christian church....simple as that.
I am just glad they are not Jewish.
To me - they are worse than a plague of locusts - or the Pharoh - or Hitler.
How DARE you use a soldier funeral to spew your godless BS. Here is a challenge Fred - show up at the Grasonville, Maryland VFW Post 7464 - VFW Avenue - Grasonville, MD 21638 (there is a tank in our front yard - can't miss it)
Call for directions 410/827-8194
I can assure you that we will be there to meet you.
Matthew 7:16-20
16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
This is how we as Christians can tell whether or not others who call themselves Christians, are truly what they claim to be. I can't see the WBC bearing much good fruit, therefore I don't consider them to be a true Christian church....simple as that.
No, I understand that Deb. The thing is that is how you interpret the Bible. That is not how they might interpret it, yet the Bible is the basis for the Christian belief. We can call them weird, odd, mean, despicable, even stupid for their 'misinterpretation' but they think that what they believe is god's message and they use the Bible as their supporting evidence. I think you still have to call them Christians. Perhaps radical, ignoramouses of the Christian faith, but Christians nonetheless.
The WBC are really no different than any other Christian fundamentalists. They're just more open and outspoken in their bigotry.
That's quite a leap. I know many Christian fundamentals who believe that the WBC crowd and Phelps are whack-jobs. Christian fundamentals can believe that homosexuality is a sin, no different that overabuse of alcohol, cheating on your spouse, or stealing... to most of them that does not translate to hate for the person doing that sin... they can still see the individual as a person, but not approve of the sin.
The problem with the WBC crowd is they can't make the seperation that I see most Christians making (including fundamentals) of hate the sin but don't hate the sinner. WBC hates the sin AND the sinner - the Christian fundamentals I know have the sin but NOT the sinner.
Something that bothers me about this whole "They're not real Christians" thing is that religious people never fail to make claims that people are "Not real Christians, not real Muslims, etc... etc.." It seems to me that with all of the rampant abuse of the Bible, Koran, etc... that that is in fact Christianity, or that is in fact Islam. Who are you (anyone in particular) to determine who or what a Christian is? Just because it doesn't fit into your particular little model of what you believe a Christian is doesn't mean that others aren't Christians. I've always thought that Christians believed that Jesus died for their sins and rose on the third day and they accepted him into their hearts?? To my knowledge, the WBC doesn't say anything like that. Yes, their practices are rather horrible and despicable, and from what I understand about Jesus, don't necessarily go along with his teachings.
However, I thought the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross was allegedly so that we could be forgiven of our sins? So, I'm in a bit of a conundrum... aren't they REALLY Christians? Are their "sins" on a greater scale in your god's eyes than what a typical human does in his/her life? Sure, they may not act as Jesus would hope, but then again, find me a person who does... So, I dare say, that they are indeed Christians however much you Christians may not like that idea.
That being said, I think the WBC is a despicable organization. I'm really hoping that Rev. Phelps gets busted for tax evasion or some other crime and his organization gets shut down.
They are fanatical Christians who abuse the text to fit their own agenda.. much like any other fanatical religious group.
In their mind they are Christians.. just like in the mind of a three year old there really is a Santa..
However, to the overwhelming majority of Christians.. they are not Christians.
They are fanatical Christians who abuse the text to fit their own agenda.. much like any other fanatical religious group.
In their mind they are Christians.. just like in the mind of a three year old there really is a Santa..
However, to the overwhelming majority of Christians.. they are not Christians.
I understand that and you quantified my point for me. In their minds they are Christians AND that's all that matters to them.
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