Rick Wiles: 'Ebola Could Solve America's Problems With Atheism And Homosexuality' (priests, Israel)
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Originally Posted by Bideshi
The Bible details how God judged nations that earned His wrath and it was a combination of progressive punishments with droughts, famines, plagues, natural disasters, invasions, and ultimately enslavement. A nation can repent and God will forgive. Nineveh repented and was spared God's wrath.
Would this be the same god who caused all those plagues, disasters etc. in Egypt?
You know, the one who 'hardened the Pharoh's heart'?
What a nice guy. Threatens to cause harm if the Pharoh doesn't do what Mose's says, and then, just to make sure that he can deliver that harm, he ensures that the Pharoh can't submit to Mose's request.
What a guy. I heard Ba'al was much more benevolent. At least that god could be depended on to provide rain for crops.
Unfortunately, it seems to be unguided and indiscriminate - just as we'd expect if there was no God there at all. His wishful thinking for a divine atrocity is likely to remain that.
I don't think they are deep down expecting actual divine retribution. They are looking for something that they can CLAIM is divine retribution, and which resonates with people's profound fears. They are simply getting ahead of a possible opportunity, so they can point to their warnings and say, SEE? I TOLD YOU SO. God is punishing you! And if it doesn't come to pass, well they have made some vulnerable people uneasy and that's always to the good in their minds.
Instinctively, fundamentalists know that disease, calamity, poverty, want, and all forms of profound suffering cause otherwise intelligent and self possessed people to regress and start thumb-sucking and whining for their sky daddy. And they are only too happy to be there to welcome the sheeple into the fold and show them the way to "safety" (and dependence and slavish obedience).
A version of this is going on with the new Iraq conflict, too. You have retired generals and talking heads coming out of the woodwork now and stating as if it were fact that the newly-declared so-called caliphate is a direct threat to us, that they will be in our back yards in America executing us as infidels in a few years if we don't wipe them out now. It is an attempt to rush us into another ill-considered war based on the very propaganda that the caliphate is putting out. It's the same reason the Iraqi military field people take one look at these propaganda videos and abandon their posts despite the fact they are a vastly superior and better equipped fighting force. It's all based on primal fears and the manipulation thereof -- whether we are talking about Islamic fundamentalists or evangelical fundamentalists.
Could be a collective judgment on America. Wouldn't be the first time God judged a nation...
At some point, God will have His fill of sin in the country.
Jonah warned a country of their sins and God's coming judgment, and they actually changed their ways and were spared.
Why do you folks continue to justify hate?
Hey God, strike me with lightning if I am wrong and You are intimately involved in human affairs and interfere at every opportunity. (Dang, another ten years in aionios kolasan. )
I don't think they are deep down expecting actual divine retribution. They are looking for something that they can CLAIM is divine retribution, and which resonates with people's profound fears. They are simply getting ahead of a possible opportunity, so they can point to their warnings and say, SEE? I TOLD YOU SO. God is punishing you! And if it doesn't come to pass, well they have made some vulnerable people uneasy and that's always to the good in their minds.
Instinctively, fundamentalists know that disease, calamity, poverty, want, and all forms of profound suffering cause otherwise intelligent and self possessed people to regress and start thumb-sucking and whining for their sky daddy. And they are only too happy to be there to welcome the sheeple into the fold and show them the way to "safety" (and dependence and slavish obedience).
A version of this is going on with the new Iraq conflict, too. You have retired generals and talking heads coming out of the woodwork now and stating as if it were fact that the newly-declared so-called caliphate is a direct threat to us, that they will be in our back yards in America executing us as infidels in a few years if we don't wipe them out now. It is an attempt to rush us into another ill-considered war based on the very propaganda that the caliphate is putting out. It's the same reason the Iraqi military field people take one look at these propaganda videos and abandon their posts despite the fact they are a vastly superior and better equipped fighting force. It's all based on primal fears and the manipulation thereof -- whether we are talking about Islamic fundamentalists or evangelical fundamentalists.
Yep ... I agree completely, but you know how it is trying to rep a person you agree with 99% of the time.
I'm all for the 1st Amendment, but sometimes I think these evangelicals that predict inevitable natural disasters and then prey upon the fears and vulnerability of a wounded nation to blame gays, liberals, feminists, leftists, abortionists, the ACLU, commies, and anyone else they don't like for angering God and provoking his wrath - they need to face some kind of consequence for their actions and be held directly responsible for any violent crimes committed in response to their hate speech. It has been done before so there is legal precedent for this.
In my opinion, this kind of fear mongering is identical to inciting to riot or yelling fire in a crowded theater. It is a thinly veiled Christian fatwa that implies (but does not implicitly state) that those responsible need to be brought to book for their sins. This kind of speech is specifically designed to whip up Christians in a fear-inspired attack (perhaps even a literal attack) on those individuals and organizations they are being told are responsible. And why not? A large part of religious butchery and mass murder in past ages is the result of irresponsible religious fear-mongers using disasters and calamities to generate fear among the flock and then sending them out to mete out God's earthly justice.
Would this be the same god who caused all those plagues, disasters etc. in Egypt?
You know, the one who 'hardened the Pharoh's heart'?
What a nice guy. Threatens to cause harm if the Pharoh doesn't do what Mose's says, and then, just to make sure that he can deliver that harm, he ensures that the Pharoh can't submit to Mose's request.
What a guy. I heard Ba'al was much more benevolent. At least that god could be depended on to provide rain for crops.
Then how do you explain this verse?
Why do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh did? When Israel's god dealt harshly with them, did they not send the Israelites out so they could go on their way? 1 Samuel 6:6
Sounds like Pharoh did a good job of hardening his own heart.
Why do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh did? When Israel's god dealt harshly with them, did they not send the Israelites out so they could go on their way? 1 Samuel 6:6
Sounds like Pharaoh did a good job of hardening his own heart.
Well, I explain it by pointing out that the Exodus account was from earlier oral tradition, and written down and edited to forge a political identity for the Jews as they struggled to reconstruct their identity after the Babylonian conquest. The account from 1 Samuel contradicts the Exodus account, because the author or editor wanted to make a different point. If the Bible is not the inerrant word of God, then it can contradict itself, there is no problem for me to explain it...
The question is, how do you explain it? It is a contradiction, did God harden Pharaoh's heart or did Pharaoh do it all on his own? Is the writer of Exodus wrong or the writer of 1st Samuel? Or do you have ot invent a new narrative not contained in scripture at all to explain it?
Someone in a devout Believer's family dies, it's a tragedy. Two hundred people die in a natural disaster, it's 'God's will'.
All of a sudden, I'm reminded of a line from the M*A*S*H film:
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'Every time a patient croaks on him, he says it's God's will or somebody else's fault.'
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