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You can choose to believe me or not. If you don't...you're still left without an objective morality and you're like the blind leading the blind. No one can say what is moral without a moral absolute.
And your arbiter of absolute morality is absolutely without morals.
They, of course, suppressed it and did their own thing.
Oooh.... the pastor school response. "Today, Gentlemen, we continue your lessons on morality. God wrote morality in our hearts. Write that down. But if you get asked about the Nazis be sure you tell everyone they suppressed it. Otherwise donations will fall because no one will sit in a church with a preacher even HINTING that God had anything to do with the Nazis. Except for all you guys who plan on moving to Idaho."
Vizio
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding
God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some
other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both
male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as
sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do
you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while
she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem
is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know
it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The
problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should
I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2.
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating
shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of
abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of
God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I
wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some
wiggle- room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed,
including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly
forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a
dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting
two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends
to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus
enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am
confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us
that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
That is easy. IF your God says something is moral . . . it is moral. If your God does something . . . it is moral. If your God commands something . . . it is moral. There are no standards . . . just your God's whim. There are no absolutes . . . just your God's whim. Isn't that about it, Vizio???
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Actually...yes, that's correct. But now try to understand the context in which he has spoken. Your characterization of him as barbaric suggests you have no clue what God is actually like.
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So what about that is SUBJECTIVE AND NOT REMOTELY OBJECTIVE OR ABSOLUTE do you not understand?????
Whatever you THINK He is like . . . the morality based on His whim is neither objective nor absolute. It is subjective and largely based on what YOU think is His whim in any given circumstance.
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You can choose to believe me or not. If you don't...you're still left without an objective morality and you're like the blind leading the blind. No one can say what is moral without a moral absolute.
YOU do NOT have an objective morality and YOU do NOT have any moral absolutes. What about that do you not understand????
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You can choose to believe me or not. If you don't...you're still left without an objective morality and you're like the blind leading the blind. No one can say what is moral without a moral absolute.
No! What I am left with is your subjective opinion, your unanswered questions, and your blindness as to these facts.
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Why should we accept your idea of morality? What makes you right?
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And why is it right?
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You do recognize that I'm not the one arguing for a subjective morality based on the whim of man, right? Or did that just go completely over your head?
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How about not telling me what I think and instead go by what I say? What is this subjective morality that I supposedly think I'm arguing for? Do you suggest I want everyone to live the law of Moses?
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Says who? You have yet to make the case of WHY I should believe you when it comes to morality over ANYONE else?
Gee, I wonder if anyone gets the sense that our old buddy Vizio sure does like asking questions.
For the same reasons you THINK YOU are right, Vizio. There is absolutely no difference between your reasons and fishbrain's . . . NONE!
I object. Vizio's reason is 'just because'. My reasoning is based upon human concensus, the fact that in the real world we act as I describe, and the principle of minimizing harm because nobody likes to be harmed.
I think that is superior to Vizio defending slavery.
YOU do NOT have an objective morality and YOU do NOT have any moral absolutes. What about that do you not understand????
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No! What I am left with is your subjective opinion, your unanswered questions, and your blindness as to these facts.
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I object. Vizio's reason is 'just because'. My reasoning is based upon human concensus, the fact that in the real world we act as I describe, and the principle of minimizing harm because nobody likes to be harmed.
I think that is superior to Vizio defending slavery.
Most moralities are superior to Vizio's. But the overarching feature he seems not to get is that of subjectivity . . . which he disavows without the remotest possibility of support. He mistakenly THINKS he has an objective and absolute morality . . . when it is the farthest from it.
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