Christian morality: an atheist's point of view (bible, Israel, quote)
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"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." KJV 2 Kings 2:23-24
And that which the Creator of the universe has communicated and written on our hearts. Your inability or unwillingness to recognize that does not mean it's not true.
Again..pointing back to the main discussion on this thread...how does the OP or ANYONE think they can judge morality, if there is no common standard by which to judge it?
And that which the Creator of the universe has communicated and written on our hearts. Your inability or unwillingness to recognize that does not mean it's not true.
I have pointed out several times that a rational basis for morality is empathy, based upon our personal aversion to harm, as well as our development as a cooperative species.
You don't acknowledge this as a basis for morality, despite being able to show that we have empathy, being able to show that people are harm averse, and we are obviously cooperative.
I can point to the above as being blindingly obvious and self-evident, but you seem to be unable to prove the existence of god and his laws-written-on-your-heart (whatever that means). It seems ok for me to be unable or unwilling to recognize your morality because of this.
I can point to the above as being blindingly obvious and self-evident, but you seem to be unable to prove the existence of god and his laws-written-on-your-heart (whatever that means). It seems ok for me to be unable or unwilling to recognize your morality because of this.
The really interesting part is that Vizio does not even acknowledge the "Law written on our hearts" that is given in the New Testament but depends on contradictory and vague scriptural injunctions. That "Law" comes closer to your empathy than to any formal code of conduct,whether divinely inspired or not, and it is simply concern for the well-being of everyone in any given situation (the way I translate the Greek term "agape").
The really interesting part is that Vizio does not even acknowledge the "Law written on our hearts" that is given in the New Testament but depends on contradictory and vague scriptural injunctions. That "Law" comes closer to your empathy than to any formal code of conduct,whether divinely inspired or not, and it is simply concern for the well-being of everyone in any given situation (the way I translate the Greek term "agape").
Sure. Vizio is rather hypocritical in his posts. He is absolutely unwilling to apply any sort of proof or test towards his posts, while at the same time he is unwilling to consider evidence from another person's point of view.
And that which the Creator of the universe has communicated and written on our hearts. Your inability or unwillingness to recognize that does not mean it's not true.
Again..pointing back to the main discussion on this thread...how does the OP or ANYONE think they can judge morality, if there is no common standard by which to judge it?
Must be some of us have hearts that are a "no graffiti" zone.
Your willingness to believe it, likewise, does not make it true.
And that which the Creator of the universe has communicated and written on our hearts. Your inability or unwillingness to recognize that does not mean it's not true.
Again..pointing back to the main discussion on this thread...how does the OP or ANYONE think they can judge morality, if there is no common standard by which to judge it?
Politely speaking what is meant judge morality, verify the value or non-value of recognizing the issue of the word ?
The essence of the Creator is understood to be agape within pure reason. Is this suggesting there is no reasoning man can relate to with respects to the issue of morality, that being things to do with constructive and destructive , these things have already been explained and they are ignored.
If man cannot explain then what was the point of man and his reasoning. Its all got to do with understanding and how charity is the key . If man cannot explain then how could a Creator see something to be related with.
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Originally Posted by Ceist
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." KJV 2 Kings 2:23-24
Perhaps Vizio needs to learn how to read his bible just a bit closer.
Seems pretty clear that these were little children. Real clear. No interpretation needed.
Well, Vizio? What say you?
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