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How does she, or you, or anyone know they are wrong? Can you say they're wrong?
First: I read Shirina's post too hastily .... She seemed to be using that descriptive term on God.
Second. Yes. I can say the Nazis were wrong. I can say they were immoral. Look out, because here it comes again: The Nazis were immoral.
Apparently you have trouble with that. It's obvious, though, that if the Bible said, "The Nazis were immoral!" you'd be on here insisting it was true. Hmmm.... maybe if the Bible said the Nazis were wiped out by the flood you'd be telling everyone they were immoral.
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Same response to you and your "if it feels good" morality. What makes it "correct"? Besides your opinion? What makes your opinion better than anyone else's?
Because it is not just an opinion, but a visceral part of every human beings psyche. It speaks to the self-preservation gene we all have. It speaks to the empathetic gene we have, the on that drives the bond between parent and child. It speaks to the societal order we all crave. It speaks to us being human.
You seem to be confusing the EXISTENCE of morality with whether or not individuals follow morality. They are completely separate issues and one has nothing to do with the other. We CAN KNOW what is moral without following it. God has "written in our hearts" and with the guidance of the Comforter using agape love . . . we CAN KNOW in our heart of hearts what IS and what IS NOT moral! If it is against agape love it is NOT moral. IF it is consistent with agape love it IS moral. You call that subjective . . . when it is the opposite. If we do NOT internally have a morality to follow . . .it does not exist. It is just human vanity and hubris in words "written in ink." You seem to believe we do NOT have an internal morality to rely on based on agape love. Besides being of academic interest . . . what does the Bible have to do with the morality God has "written in our hearts"??? Again you seem to confuse following our internal morality . . . with having it . . . they are NOT the same thing.Since you believe the Bible is God's Word instead of Christ and since you believe the Bible is the authority on morality . . . you automatically are endorsing the law and the many words "written in ink" as your God. You cannot believe the Bible is inerrant and infallible without believing it is therefore God. That makes your God a quartet . . . the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and the Bible. I think you simply do NOT believe Christ abides with us as the LIVING Word of God. IF you did there would be no need to revere the Bible as your God and authority.
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I'm done. You have made no attempt whatsoever to even begin to understand my arguments.
I will let others decide whether or not I have made any attempt to understand your arguments (non-existent as they have been). You have mainly asked the same boring question for which you have been given myriad answers. You pretend that you are somehow NOT in the same subjective boat as everyone else . . . but you ARE! Your subjective morality is even MORE subjective because it is entirely based on the whim and caprice of your God . . . instead of what God has taught us and IS . . . agape love. THAT is a standard that is both objective and absolute . . . not subject to the caprice of God.
I will let others decide whether or not I have made any attempt to understand your arguments (non-existent as they have been). You have mainly asked the same boring question for which you have been given myriad answers. You pretend that you are somehow NOT in the same subjective boat as everyone else . . . but you ARE! Your subjective morality is even MORE subjective because it is entirely based on the whim and caprice of your God . . . instead of what God has taught us and IS . . . agape love. THAT is a standard that is both objective and absolute . . . not subject to the caprice of God.
I hope you realize that this is your opinion which makes it subjective, not objective and absolute
I want to understand what gives anyone the right to say their opinion of subjective morality is above anyone else's. Can you do explain that?
The 1st amendment here in the US guarantees the right to free speech, so people can say all sorts of things.
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