Christian morality: an atheist's point of view (pastor, perspective, preachers)
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Originally Posted by cupper3
I can not understand anyone who claims to get their morality from a god they worship endorse the genocide of a neighboring tribe, whose land your tribe was trying to invade, to go back and kill all men, women and children you did not get in the first go around, and then keep all virgins for your tribe's men for their own pleasure.
And frankly, if you do endorse that, you better look in the mirror and ask yourself how moral can your thought be.
Even Hitler, who you frequently bring up, did not systematically keep the virgins for his troops to enjoy. Your god's command to do that horrible, horrible thing is worse than the excesses of crimes committed under the Nazis. Far, far worse.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Honestly? What does it matter? All you've got is your opinion.
I'm not the one that is suggesting that evil go unpunished.
No....Hitler didn't believe in sparing anyone. I guess you think it's better to kill them. You're kind of all over the map on this, aren't you? I'm glad we don't live by your system.
So, you don't concur with my "opinion" that soldiers killing everyone, men, women, children, except for virgins that they get to keep for themselves is immoral?
Really, Vizio? REALLY? You can justify this because your god ordered it?
Generally, all voices attacking Christian morals are founded upon selfish people wanting to do selfish things -- things that do not have a positive impact on all humanity.
Generally, you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
So, you don't concur with my "opinion" that soldiers killing everyone, men, women, children, except for virgins that they get to keep for themselves is immoral?
It sounds like you're suggesting that killing the women would be better.
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Really, Vizio? REALLY? You can justify this because your god ordered it?
How? Please try and answer.
You can condemn it? How so? Because you think it is? Yay.
It sounds like you're suggesting that killing the women would be better.
So the only choices are to kill them or to make them into sex slaves?
I suppose simply letting her and her people live their lives in peace wasn't an option even considered?
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Originally Posted by Vizio
You can condemn it? How so? Because you think it is? Yay.
What is your opinion on pedophilia? Neither God, Jesus, or the Bible condemns it. Nothing says that it's immoral. In fact, it was quite common for girls as young as 8 to be married off to men 5 times their age.
Since there is no divine authority on whether or not pedophilia is immoral - does that mean it's moral? That it's okay to start feeling up little children? Do the police and the courts even have a right to lock away pedophiles? Perhaps we should release them all and stop prosecuting them.
Because it's only society's "opinion" that pedophilia is wrong, and without any guidance from Above, how can we know if it's really immoral to have sex with toddlers?
So the only choices are to kill them or to make them into sex slaves?
I suppose simply letting her and her people live their lives in peace wasn't an option even considered?
What is your opinion on pedophilia? Neither God, Jesus, or the Bible condemns it. Nothing says that it's immoral. In fact, it was quite common for girls as young as 8 to be married off to men 5 times their age.
Since there is no divine authority on whether or not pedophilia is immoral - does that mean it's moral? That it's okay to start feeling up little children? Do the police and the courts even have a right to lock away pedophiles? Perhaps we should release them all and stop prosecuting them.
Because it's only society's "opinion" that pedophilia is wrong, and without any guidance from Above, how can we know if it's really immoral to have sex with toddlers?
Hmmm?
I can see Viz's fingers flying through his bible, trying to find some vague words that could be twisted into saying sex with kids is bad.....
So the only choices are to kill them or to make them into sex slaves?
I suppose simply letting her and her people live their lives in peace wasn't an option even considered?
They were taken as wives in a time when women had no legal rights. Yes--that is more lenient than death.
But again...since the only form of morality you have is personal opinion, how is this relevant?
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What is your opinion on pedophilia? Neither God, Jesus, or the Bible condemns it. Nothing says that it's immoral. In fact, it was quite common for girls as young as 8 to be married off to men 5 times their age.
I'd like to see some documentation of such a marriage taking place in the Bible.
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Since there is no divine authority on whether or not pedophilia is immoral - does that mean it's moral? That it's okay to start feeling up little children? Do the police and the courts even have a right to lock away pedophiles? Perhaps we should release them all and stop prosecuting them.
Premarital sex is immoral, no matter what age. Having said that, all instances of Biblical marriage appear to be between adults, not children.
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Because it's only society's "opinion" that pedophilia is wrong, and without any guidance from Above, how can we know if it's really immoral to have sex with toddlers?
Hmmm?
Why does it matter to you? With your system of morality you are unable to condemn it. After all, your opinion is worth no more than anyone else's.
You can condemn it? How so? Because you think it is? Yay.
You didn't answer his question.
Did you attend a school where questions on tests could be answered by asking a random question? Must have been sweet. I'd have spent a lot more time on the beach and a lot less time studying had that option been available to me.
Did you attend a school where questions on tests could be answered by asking a random question? Must have been sweet. I'd have spent a lot more time on the beach and a lot less time studying had that option been available to me.
Q: Name the dates of the Salem witch trials.
A: Who are you to condemn witches?
The thread was created with the intent of the OP attempting to condemn God. It's been demonstrated that an atheist's morality is unable to do so. At this point it's pointless to really get into this debate.
If you think that's a problem, I honestly don't care. You are not exactly one that has been open-minded in discussions with me and I don't see that I answer to you.
The thread was created with the intent of the OP attempting to condemn God. It's been demonstrated that an atheist's morality is unable to do so.
Actually, I think this thread was created so the OP could start a dialog about Christian morality.
p.s. Responding to questions with more questions is NOT a demonstration of anything but the responder's ability to find the question mark on his keyboard.
Actually, I think this thread was created so the OP could start a dialog about Christian morality.
p.s. Responding to questions with more questions is NOT a demonstration of anything but the responder's ability to find the question mark on his keyboard.
Since neither the OP, nor you, have any way to declare what is moral or immoral....it's not relevant. Your opinion of what God does is pointless. All you've got is your own opinion.
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