God is love, what does it mean (translation, Commandments, Christian)
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Only those who are completely ignorant of human psychology and the FACT that jealousy is a human psychological WEAKNESS
Ah nothing like typing "fact" in big letters to support an otherwise false point. Nothing "weak" about jealousy. It is just an emotion. It is no stronger or weaker than any other. Nor are you a weak person for experiencing it - so stop insulting those that do.
What makes a person strong - or weak - is what they do with their emotions once they have them - not simply having them in the first place.
Ah nothing like typing "fact" in big letters to support an otherwise false point. Nothing "weak" about jealousy. It is just an emotion. It is no stronger or weaker than any other. Nor are you a weak person for experiencing it - so stop insulting those that do.
What makes a person strong - or weak - is what they do with their emotions once they have them - not simply having them in the first place.
So what is jealousy?
The body makes you feel jealousy because when your partners is looking else where, it signals to the body that you may be losing your partner. So it's the fear of losing them. The body doesn't want you to lose them, so it makes you take action to prevent the loss.
But sometimes when you're too insecure and therefore think you're not valuable, you will see the risk even where it doesn't exist. You will be jealous and take action and ruin your relationship because of the risk that doesn't exist. When you're insecure, it's hard for you to believe that your partner prefers you. It's easy to believe that he is leaving you (next time you hear him/her speak to someone else)
If a god with emotions existed, then it would make sense that he would be jealous of people leaving him and choosing the devil...
But does God have emotions or need them?
Emotions are a reward/punishment system that your body uses to make you do or not do something.
Humans feel pleasure when they do what their body tells them to. Humans feels displeasure when they don't do what their body tells them to. (I am not just talking about primitive instructions of the body, but the ones that are created by the moral code and beliefs).
Ultimately, emotions are physical sensations triggered by your body for either your obedience or disobedience to your SELF.
Then why pray for the sick? Or for those having a difficult time? Or about money problems? Or about anything at all other than spiritual growth?
Why mourn when a Christian dies?
These are good questions.
It's not that they believe that suffering is good and desirable and nothing to complain about. But that suffering is normal, part of life. And you can try to escape it when you can (like praying about it), but you have to make sure you don't escape it at the cost of heaven (by disobeying god). So it's important as far as trying to escape, but it becomes unimportant if the question is between bearing suffering and having heaven as a reward or not bearing suffering and losing heaven. So ultimately helping each other to escape it is desirable. But it's not the greatest reward or gift a person could get. The greatest gift is heaven. So the greatest gift is salvation. And so, they try to help to escape suffering by giving money for example, but they want to make sure they give an even bigger gift, which is salvation.
The Bible teaches that. Martha was preparing food, but Mary was sitting by Jesus' feet and listening to his teachings. Jesus told Martha that Mary chose something more important. So it's not that preparing food is unimportant (all have to eat), but spiritual food is given preference.
Mourning - when you lose a person (no matter if they went to heaven or to another city) the separation is painful. The mourning is to process the pain of separation. It's like they preach in psychology, you have to grieve in order to move on later.
It is an emotion - like anger and love - and just like any other. It has it's own utility and like all our emotions comes from our evolutionary past.
No emotion is inherently "bad" or "weak" - or even "good" or "strong". What we _do_ with those emotions is what makes us strong or weak.
Jealously is little more than - for example - our emotional desire to have our partner conform to the fidelity we expect in our monogamous relationships. Nothing wrong with that.
However what some people _do_ with that emotion can be very wrong. Paranoia - stalking - lacking trust in your partner due to the jealousy - invading privacy to test for infidelity - and much more.
But decribing merely having the emotion as "weak" is - well - weak. The notion of judging the emotions in and of themselves as good - bad - strong - or weak is just a nonsense categorisation that achieves nothing and is based on pretty much nothing.
It is an emotion - like anger and love - and just like any other. It has it's own utility and like all our emotions comes from our evolutionary past.
No emotion is inherently "bad" or "weak" - or even "good" or "strong". What we _do_ with those emotions is what makes us strong or weak.
Jealously is little more than - for example - our emotional desire to have our partner conform to the fidelity we expect in our monogamous relationships. Nothing wrong with that.
However what some people _do_ with that emotion can be very wrong. Paranoia - stalking - lacking trust in your partner due to the jealousy - invading privacy to test for infidelity - and much more.
But decribing merely having the emotion as "weak" is - well - weak. The notion of judging the emotions in and of themselves as good - bad - strong - or weak is just a nonsense categorisation that achieves nothing and is based on pretty much nothing.
The very EXISTENCE of the negative human emotions is psychological weakness in the human Spirit that does NOT exist in God. They are ALL the result of our psychological frailties (weaknesses). Our ancestors' psychological ignorance is the only reason they are attributed to God.
The very EXISTENCE of the negative human emotions is psychological weakness in the human Spirit
Your classification of emotions into positive and negative is the exact error I am referring to in my responses. I think your classification of them is arbitrary and pointless - as well as inaccurate.
There is no emotion that inherently negative or positive. It is what we do with them that is negative - or positive.
Take anger for example. Many would arbitrarily classify that - in much the way you do - as "negative". Yet anger at an observed injustice can motivate one to rise and counter that injustice. But you can also engage in negative reactions to your emotions - such as engaging in posts that the moderators then have to delete.
But in the end - you have simply shifted your rhetoric from the failed "weak" description to "negative" but are essentially saying the same thing - that I have already rebutted. To repeat: Someone is not weak for experiencing jealousy. And there are strong and useful evolutionary reasons for that emotion. How a person acts on that emotion though is the measure of their strengths or weaknesses.
The very EXISTENCE of the negative human emotions is psychological weakness in the human Spirit that does NOT exist in God. They are ALL the result of our psychological frailties (weaknesses). Our ancestors' psychological ignorance is the only reason they are attributed to God.
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Originally Posted by monumentus
Your classification of emotions into positive and negative is the exact error I am referring to in my responses. I think your classification of them is arbitrary and pointless - as well as inaccurate.
There is no emotion that inherently negative or positive. It is what we do with them that is negative - or positive.
Take anger for example. Many would arbitrarily classify that - in much the way you do - as "negative". Yet anger at an observed injustice can motivate one to rise and counter that injustice. But you can also engage in negative reactions to your emotions - such as engaging in posts that the moderators then have to delete.
In your opinion it is arbitrary and pointless . . . but the classification into negative emotions derived from weak egos is accurate. The ultimate responses of humans to the emotions CAN further characterize them as strong or weak . . . but the inherent underlying condition is the result of weaknesses in our human motivational make-up that do NOT exist in God.
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But in the end - you have simply shifted your rhetoric from the failed "weak" description to "negative" but are essentially saying the same thing - that I have already rebutted. To repeat: Someone is not weak for experiencing jealousy. And there are strong and useful evolutionary reasons for that emotion. How a person acts on that emotion though is the measure of their strengths or weaknesses.
Sorry but the feeling of jealousy is inherently the result of a weak ego and insecurity. No God would ever feel such insecurity or weakness of ego. How we respond to and overcome our weaknesses IS indicative of the strength of our Spirit over our animal drives and is the purpose of our spiritual development and maturity.
The very EXISTENCE of the negative human emotions is psychological weakness in the human Spirit that does NOT exist in God. They are ALL the result of our psychological frailties (weaknesses). Our ancestors' psychological ignorance is the only reason they are attributed to God.
... which leads us, inevitably, to how weak, incapable, deficient and unworthy we are, thus requiring fixing or mercy or some combination of the two from god, despite that we don't actually merit either favor.
I am opposed to denying who and what we are, but we can certainly object to harmful actions or habits. Actions and habits are changeable; human nature really is not, on anything but an evolutionary scale. Indeed, the impedance mismatch between our evolved emotional responses and the requirements of civilization is exactly the source of these "weaknesses" that you decry. A civil society results when enough of us are trained in overriding our evolutionary impulses by choice, not by denying the existence of those impulses, or passing useless moral judgements upon them.
The very EXISTENCE of the negative human emotions is psychological weakness in the human Spirit that does NOT exist in God. They are ALL the result of our psychological frailties (weaknesses). Our ancestors' psychological ignorance is the only reason they are attributed to God.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
In your opinion it is arbitrary and pointless . . . but the classification into negative emotions derived from weak egos is accurate. The ultimate responses of humans to the emotions CAN further characterize them as strong or weak . . . but the inherent underlying condition is the result of weaknesses in our human motivational make-up that do NOT exist in God.Sorry but the feeling of jealousy is inherently the result of a weak ego and insecurity. No God would ever feel such insecurity or weakness of ego. How we respond to and overcome our weaknesses IS indicative of the strength of our Spirit over our animal drives and is the purpose of our spiritual development and maturity.
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Originally Posted by mordant
... which leads us, inevitably, to how weak, incapable, deficient and unworthy we are, thus requiring fixing or mercy or some combination of the two from god, despite that we don't actually merit either favor.
I am opposed to denying who and what we are, but we can certainly object to harmful actions or habits. Actions and habits are changeable; human nature really is not, on anything but an evolutionary scale. Indeed, the impedance mismatch between our evolved emotional responses and the requirements of civilization is exactly the source of these "weaknesses" that you decry. A civil society results when enough of us are trained in overriding our evolutionary impulses by choice, not by denying the existence of those impulses, or passing useless moral judgements upon them.
You take the wrong inference from my posts here. I am NOT making judgments about the worthiness of human nature. It is what it is and life and the maturation process is what it is. Failing to understand what it is and the necessity for a maturation process as you imply is what engenders such futile judgmentalism. The immature cannot be mature overnight by force of will . . . so judgments about the results of such immaturity are moot. A sapling cannot somehow become a mature tree overnight and certainly not become a mighty oak. These kinds of expectations and judgments are inappropriate. Our GOAL is spiritual maturity but we must GROW into it. That is our purpose in life.
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