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Except that you didn't really disprove anything. You married the woman that you had sex with. God's design of sex is between one man and a woman for life. This creates a bond that is both physical and spiritual. Sexual immorality involves going outside of that design. This activity carries the physical risk of STDS and spiritual consequences. You stayed within that design and have a happy marriage as a result. God's laws on sin are there to protect us.
Oh, I absolutely lusted for my girlfriend, which wasn't really my girlfriend at the time.
Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Besides, sex outside of marriage, which was the case here, is a sin, if you know your Bible. Just can't admit you're wrong huh?
Really, then show me the exact words from Jesus where he says the sin of Sodom was and ONLY was inhospitality. You still have the problem of Jude 1:7 which clearly states that the cities were consumed by sexual immorality and perversion. I see Luke 12:47 referring more to atheists who are ex-Christians. You know, the people that you claim are more moral better than Bible believing Christians
I don't know, why would he? We don't know his reasoning. You might as well be asking why did King David have a loyal soldier murdered so he could have sex with his wife? The Bible doesn't whitewash these stories. It shows man in all his ugly sinful behavior and decisions because that's the way we are. I don't get where you think Lot's offering of his daughters proves your point.
The real question is do you believe homosexuality is a sin? Yes or No.
After I've shown you what JEWISH scholars believe AND what the Bible in other OT verses says, you're failure to understand Jesus words about the POTENTIAL sin of villages REFUSING HOSPITALITY to His disciples, what else is there to say. You love you're homophobia--and as long as you can keep your religion as the responsible party for it, you are free to have a hardened heart without your conscience bearing witness against you.
Jude is also ambiguous.
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"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Jude 6-7
The entire set of verses revolves around ANGELS who are fallen. In like manner, the story of Sodom revolves around ANGELS. In the case of Sodom, men desire strange flesh of ANGELS. And, apparently, by what Jude writes the ANGELS were committing fornication--with humans. Strange flesh for them as well. God does not appear to be happy with lusting after strange flesh.
How about a super conservative pastor, John MacArthur, who supports that view?
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"Verse 7 gives us some clues as to the specifics of their iniquity: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, (these angels) giving themselves over to fornication...."
Whatever those angels did, it was the same thing that Sodom and Gomorrah did, namely, committing fornication: "going after strange flesh" (v. 7b). The angels are described in verse 6. They appear to be a likely antecedent of the word "themselves" in verse 7. Therefore, I believe that verse 7 is saying that the angels were giving them- selves over to fornication.
So, what did those angels do? First, they didn't keep their first estate. Second, they left the normal place that their nature and design by God required of them. Third, they gave themselves over to a gross kind of sexual evil in the same way that Sodom and Gomorrah did.
Do you remember what the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was? The men of those cities lusted after the angels who were staying with Lot. The fallen angels in verse 6 did the same thing that Sodom and Gomorrah did, except in reverse - they lusted after humans.
They entered into a terrible perversion of sex. The "strange (Gk. heteras = 'different') flesh" was of a different nature than theirs. Just as the men of Sodom lusted after the angels, so the angels (in Genesis 6) lusted after human flesh and committed fornication with human women...
The sin of the Sodomites was that they lusted after a different kind of being... two angelic visitors came to visit Sodom and ultimately rescue Lot, the Sodomites tried to engage in homosexual activity with them. For that reason, God judged Sodom and Gomorrah and their sister cities by wiping them off the face of the earth."
Again, you make the mistake of assuming the worst about people. Jesus made it His intention to assume the best.
I cannot definitely state that homosexuality is a sin or not. The biblical evidence is at best ambiguous, and in certain cases perhaps even contradictory (as in did Jesus heal the gay servant of a centurion).
I'm going to make my mistakes in favor of mercy and forgiveness and acceptance. You go ahead and make your mistakes with judgment, finger-pointing, and exclusivity. What does God's law on sin say about judging--especially when it is without evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt?
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Here are 14 characteristics that fit the majority of christian fundamentalists.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism (lots of flag waving)
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights (homosexuals in the marketplace, atheists should be subject
to prayer in school.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause (Homosexuals have an anti-God agenda)
4. Supremacy of the Military (everyone who kills for the nation is a "hero." God is on our side.)
5. Rampant Sexism (fundamentalist denominations and churches are almost all 100% male dominated)
6. Controlled Mass Media (Fox News is the "christian" news station)
7. Obsession with National Security (It used to be commies that were going to get us, now it's ISIS)
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined (the entire prayer in school/religious freedom to be intolerant
to the LGBT community reflects a continued attempt to attempt a theocracy.
9. Corporate Power is Protected (as fundamentalists have gained more political clout, income disparity has
increased to the point that it is as great as just before the Great Depression of 1929.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed (at one time churches stood up for Labor Unions--not anymore.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts (unless it is "biblical" art, or "A.D." on TV, it is all evil)
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment (got to send evil doers to prison for long terms; the highest
incarceration rate and length of prison terms is in the "Bible Belt."
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption (it's old, but reflective of the largest denomination of
fundamentalists in America--
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Mr. Cole lays out how he believes Dr. Patterson, as SBC
president from 1998 to 2000, used appointments to consolidate power and squelch doctrinal dissent.
The interesting thing about ALL the above listed characteristics is that they were NOT originally assoicated with religion or any groups within a religion.
They were part of a study by a man interested in the characteristics of FACISM--
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
^ Unfortunately, Christian fascism is nothing new. Remember the crusades? The Thirty Years War? The Spanish Conquistadors in the New World? Christianity has always been an expansionist and violent ideology.
^ Unfortunately, Christian fascism is nothing new. Remember the crusades? The Thirty Years War? The Spanish Conquistadors in the New World? Christianity has always been an expansionist and violent ideology.
No, man is violent. There is no direct relationship between Christianity and war considering that the tenants of Christianity is love and forgiveness for each other, not hurting them. Christian in name only is not Christian.
The least religious countries or regimes are just as violent and fascist. North Korea is a modern day example.
No, man is violent. There is no direct relationship between Christianity and war considering that the tenants of Christianity is love and forgiveness for each other, not hurting them. Christian in name only is not Christian.
The least religious countries or regimes are just as violent and fascist. North Korea is a modern day example.
There is no direct relationship between Christianity and war.
Hmmmm. The Crusades....were they not initiated and organized by the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church in the days when the Catholic Church was all of Christianity?
Was not the stated purpose of the Crusades to seize the "Holy Land", so called because it was the place where the founder of Christianity was born, lived and died, and wrest it away from the "infidels" who were then occupying it?
Did not everyone who agreed to participate in the Crusade receive a special sin forgiving dispensation from the Pope?
Did not everyone who participated in the Crusades wear a red cross emblematic of their representing Christianity in this "Holy" war?
Did not the Crusaders take the time to slaughter Jews they encountered along the way to the "Holy" land?
Did not the Crusaders break the siege of Antioch by rallying behind what was supposed to have been the just discovered "true" spear that lanced the side of Jesus while he hung on the cross?
All of the above is well documented and true, if you wish to challenge any of it, you will need to provide sources indicating otherwise.
In the light of all of the above, is not your statement that there was no direct relationship between Christianity and war, rendered absurd?
Hmmmm. The Crusades....were they not initiated and organized by the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church in the days when the Catholic Church was all of Christianity?
Was not the stated purpose of the Crusades to seize the "Holy Land", so called because it was the place where the founder of Christianity was born, lived and died, and wrest it away from the "infidels" who were then occupying it?
Did not everyone who agreed to participate in the Crusade receive a special sin forgiving dispensation from the Pope?
Did not everyone who participated in the Crusades wear a red cross emblematic of their representing Christianity in this "Holy" war?
Did not the Crusaders take the time to slaughter Jews they encountered along the way to the "Holy" land?
Did not the Crusaders break the siege of Antioch by rallying behind what was supposed to have been the just discovered "true" spear that lanced the side of Jesus while he hung on the cross?
All of the above is well documented and true, if you wish to challenge any of it, you will need to provide sources indicating otherwise.
In the light of all of the above, is not your statement that there was no direct relationship between Christianity and war, rendered absurd?
The real question is would Jesus have approved of the Crusades? If not, then the Crusades was fostered by a false brand of Christianity. The Bible teaches that we are to love even our enemies, not be conquerors. Violence is only justified as a very last resort of self defense.
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Characteristics of fundamentalists
