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And this is why no rational conversation can ever be had with religious Conservatives about homosexuality.
Until they can accept what homosexuality actually is, there's no point in going any further.
It's not only religious people who believe homosexuality is not something you are born with. So they can also say "this is why no rational conversation can ever be had with those who support LGTB about homosexuality." Name-calling doesn't make one's opinion better than the other.
Again....you seem to think that pulling some strange idea out of your backside is better than reading what God actually said. I'm sorry...but why should anyone believe you over anyone else?
God has said differently. I know that the ideas you pulled out of your posterior might say differently, but sorry...I see no reason to believe your backside over God.
First, nothing you have read is what God "actually said," it is what is printed in a book written by men about what they understand of what is appropriate behavior.
Second, the idea I have expressed are clearly scriptural but not the kind of application YOU want to see because you are too worried about peoples' backsides to think about their hearts.
Well i wanted to look at a specific country where SSM has been legal for the longest. When I looked at Denmark, here is one website that looks like the trend is increasing, not decreasing.
It's not only religious people who believe homosexuality is not something you are born with. So they can also say "this is why no rational conversation can ever be had with those who support LGTB about homosexuality." Name-calling doesn't make one's opinion better than the other.
I would bet that it mostly is, though, and they refuse to believe that homosexuals are born the way they are because of what it would mean. Because of the implications it would have on their understanding of God......
They would be forced to accept that their God must have created homosexuality, which would mean the Bible is errant after all, which would turn their world upside down. They would then be forced to reconcile that contradiction. So it's easier to just believe that the people who've gotten their heads chopped off for being gay in some countries have willingly chosen that fate.
Well i wanted to look at a specific country where SSM has been legal for the longest. When I looked at Denmark, here is one website that looks like the trend is increasing, not decreasing.
I do not see how you come to that conclusion based on those graphs. It only shows that the number of people with HIV/AIDS has increased each year which is what we would expect. Without knowing the number of either new cases or the number of deaths each year it is hard to draw a conclusion that there has been an increase in number of gay aids related cases. We know the medical treatment has greatly extended the life span of people with aids. As well the article I linked showed that heterosexual people had just a slightly higher percent of cases than male to male cases hence it is difficult to determine an increase, decrease or plateau for gay cases from the graph you posted. Was the death rate stable or decreased during that period, if people are living longer with the disease the trend should increase even if there was a decrease in the number of new cases. The graph does not show the number of new cases but the number of people alive with the disease. The graph itself is very misleading as if you look at the year 2005 there were an additional 300 people with the disease but the graph and the table claim that the percentage of people with the disease doubled. As they rounded off the numbers it is useless. Going from 4300 to 4600 does not double the percentage unless there was a significant die off of the rest of the population that year which I do not recall.
In the Canada example of 2008 is misleading if I read it correctly as it is comparing the number of reported cases in one year to the number of estimated cases in the other year. I may have read that wrong so correct me if I did. I did use a one year example but if you do look at the raw data on the site I provided you will notice that since 2005 there has been a downward trend in number of new cases. Some years go up and some do down but there is a definite downward trend. I have no idea if same sex marriage is a contributor to the downward trend but it does dispute your original claim.
Good catch, I think perhaps both Jeff and I saw Denmark and thought the Netherlands, I know I did just because he mentioned the longest with it.
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