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Old 11-14-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Well, according to the Bible, Adam was alive when he took his first breath. Can't have a soul unless you are alive.
Adam wasn't born.
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Old 11-14-2015, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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MILLIONS of fertilized eggs self abort every year and the woman never knew she was "pregnant".

Millions more eggs are flushed or thrown in the trash without ever being fertilized.
Many Quadrillions of sperm die every day for one reason or another.

Too bad so many skipped Biology in HS.
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Old 11-14-2015, 03:13 PM
 
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MILLIONS of fertilized eggs self abort every year and the woman never knew she was "pregnant".

Millions more eggs are flushed or thrown in the trash without ever being fertilized.
Many Quadrillions of sperm die every day for one reason or another.

Too bad so many skipped Biology in HS.
A lot of people die every day, too. But it's still immoral and illegal to go about killing people.
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Old 11-14-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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A lot of people die every day, too. But it's still immoral and illegal to go about killing people.
Embryos and fetuses are not people.
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Old 11-14-2015, 06:17 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I'm pretty sure it's not considered a "pregnancy" when the fertilized egg doesn't implant. What it tells me is that a fertilized egg isn't a human, and discarding fertilized eggs in a lab harms nothing, as it replicates nature.

Think about this. If you believe that a fertilized egg is a human and has a soul, then when you get to heaven, by far, the majority of souls in heaven will be just fertilized eggs than never had a physical life on earth. So most souls just get a "pass" and go straight to heaven... no pain and agony of a human existence.
Pro-lifers claim life begins when the sperm and egg unite. This is why they object to the "morning after" pill which prevents a fertilized egg from implanting.

If the morning after pill is murder, then so is IVF, unless great pains are taken to see that all fertilized eggs are injected into a fertile uterus.
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Old 11-14-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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Pro-lifers claim life begins when the sperm and egg unite. This is why they object to the "morning after" pill which prevents a fertilized egg from implanting.

If the morning after pill is murder, then so is IVF, unless great pains are taken to see that all fertilized eggs are injected into a fertile uterus.
Thank you. This was the point of the original post; pro-lifers who accept IVF as OK while opposing abortion.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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Embryos and fetuses are not people.
A lot of people would disagree with you. I am one that does believe they are people. For that reason we decided beforehand we would not do in vitro. You disagree with me? Ok. It is possible to have a disagreement regarding this.
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Old 11-15-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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A lot of people would disagree with you. I am one that does believe they are people. For that reason we decided beforehand we would not do in vitro. You disagree with me? Ok. It is possible to have a disagreement regarding this.
I respect the decision you and your wife made given your pro-life views. I did notice that you said it was a decision each couple would have to make. I agree, it is. That is the pro-choice POV in a nutshell. You are pro-choice when it comes to IVF.
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Old 11-15-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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Whenever the subject of IVF comes up, the pro-life crowd never has much to say, do they?
Nope, and I have pointed out that hypocrisy several times on C-D and it is always met with silence.
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Old 11-15-2015, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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A lot of people would disagree with you. I am one that does believe they are people. For that reason we decided beforehand we would not do in vitro. You disagree with me? Ok. It is possible to have a disagreement regarding this.
You want to believe embryos and fetuses are people?

That's fine with me............... until you try to force others to live by your beliefs.
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