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LOL...love this kind of sarcastic humor on here. Christians who defend Bible God remind me of family members who have Mafia members in them and how they probably defend Uncle John who wacks out people in his spare time but has time to give nephew Johnny his birthday present of $100 in cash. Uncle Johnny is so great, isn't he..giving our dear nephew that money. We need to forget that he routinely kills people in his off time. What a great uncle he is. This is the sick relationship that Christians have with Bible God.
This is extra special!
Equating Jehovah to a Mob Hitman!! Oh, man!
You guys get better and more creative all the time.
Please provide scriptures for each point above.
It actually means each account is not the exact account as to the timing of each piece of information you bring up.
I think what you are showing is that there are people out there who don't realize that each account is historically accurate and gives different events for different times of the day, week and month.
That is mere speculation without proof on your part.
Again, it would be helpful if you provided the specific Scriptures. "Catholic accounts"? The term "Catholic" wasn't used until around the 2nd century, long after the four accounts were written.
Like I said, each account employs different time and place for each account where some overlap and some are different.
The only one employing mental gymnastics is you.
From the link I provided:
1. An angel rolls away the stone from the tomb before sunrise (Matthew 28:2-4). The guards are seized with fear and eventually flee.
2. Women disciples visit the tomb and discover Christ missing (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1-4; Luke 24:1-3; John 20:1).
3. Mary Magdalene leaves to tell Peter and John (John 20:1-2).
4. Other women remain at the tomb; they see two angels who tell them of Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:5-7; Mark 16:5-7; Luke 24:4-8).
5. Peter and John run to the tomb and then leave (Luke 24:12; John 20:3-10).
6. Christ's First Appearance: Mary Magdalene returns to the tomb; Christ appears to her (Mark 16:9-11; John 20:11-18).
7. Christ's Second Appearance: Jesus appears to the other women (Mary, mother of James, Salome, and Joanna) (Matthew 28:8-10).
8. At this time, the guards report the events to the religious leaders and are bribed to lie (Matthew 28:11-15).
9. Christ's Third Appearance: Jesus privately appears to Peter (1 Corinthians 15:5).
10. Christ's Fourth Appearance: Jesus appears to Cleopas and companion (Mark 16:12-13; Luke 24:13-32).
11. Christ's Fifth Appearance: Jesus appears to 10 apostles, with Thomas missing, in the Upper Room (Luke 24:36-43).
12. Christ's Sixth Appearance: Eight days after His appearance to the 10 apostles, Jesus appears to all 11 apostles, including Thomas (John 20:26-28).
13. Christ's Seventh Appearance: Jesus appears to 7 disciples by the Sea of Galilee and performs the miracle of the fish (John 21:1-14).
14. Christ's Eighth Appearance: Jesus appears to 500 on a mountain in Galilee (Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:15-18; 1 Corinthians 15:6).
15. Christ's Ninth Appearance: Jesus appears to His half-brother James (1 Corinthians 15:7).
16. Christ's Tenth Appearance: In Jerusalem, Jesus appears again to His disciples (Acts 1:3-8).
17. Christ's Eleventh Appearance: Jesus ascends into Heaven while the disciples look on (Mark 16:19-20; Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:9-12).
You are just repeating the same stuff, that "EVERYTHING IS TRUE" and each event that "SEEMS" to contradict happened at different times, in different ways, from different angles.... But then you post the <short-version> "reconciliation" which does nothing except make the story choppy and vague in order to fit all accounts as much as possible... then why need those "extra-details" at all? Sure, Jesus ascends into Heaven but from two different places? or at two different years? Does he meet the disciples at Galilei or at Jerusalem? So it must be at "BOTH" places at "DIFFERENT" times in your mind.. but the authors and "common inspiration" just conveniently "forgot" to get each other to have to story completely straight on their own. I mean what are Jesus's ACTUAL final words? Each of the four gospels chosen (according to Ireneus) because the world have for corners and four winds, has a different quote. Where does Jesus ascend to heaven and how many times... To a die-hard bibliolatrist reconciliationist it would be "from both Bethany and Galilee and Mt. Olivet" at different times even though each book only mentions once from one place. Is Mt. Olivet in Bethany and Bethany in Galilee? If there is any contradiction, you would always say "There was another Bethany but that one inside Galilee, and another Mt. Olivet and that one in that Bethany. Sure the Mountain Range called "Olivet" in modern times reaches down to the ancient town of Bethany, but such a Map was designed so by modern men. The real Galilee, however, is about 60 miles from the real Bethany.
With those kind of mental gymnastics, there is also a perfect "reconciliation" of anything one may find contradictory in every religion and non-religious story (which there is, trust me I've tried).
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Mental gymnastics is indeed what they are. Just remember Christians and other people of faith are emotionally invested in their beliefs. They can make so many excuses and explanations for anything contained in the Bible. It's laughable really. In the end, they are grown adults who think snakes talk, donkeys talk, men live in fish for 3 days and a man floated around with a bunch of animals on an ark. Enough said.
Mental gymnastics is indeed what they are. Just remember Christians and other people of faith are emotionally invested in their beliefs. They can make so many excuses and explanations for anything contained in the Bible. It's laughable really. In the end, they are grown adults who think snakes talk, donkeys talk, men live in fish for 3 days and a man floated around with a bunch of animals on an ark. Enough said.
There is nothing wrong with mental gymnastics especially when the brains of Christians are so well trained that we can run circles around the weak minds of the untrained unbeliever.
Of course the serpent and donkey were able to talk. The same God Who created the universe, is anything too hard for Him? No. Same goes for Jonah and Noah. Your problem is you think God is too weak.
You are just repeating the same stuff, that "EVERYTHING IS TRUE" and each event that "SEEMS" to contradict happened at different times, in different ways, from different angles.... But then you post the <short-version> "reconciliation" which does nothing except make the story choppy and vague in order to fit all accounts as much as possible... then why need those "extra-details" at all? Sure, Jesus ascends into Heaven but from two different places?
The Bible doesn't say Christ ascended into Heaven from two different places. However, truth be known, it is my understanding that He ascended to the Father prior to and returned prior to His final ascension. I can back that claim up if you are really wanting to know.
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or at two different years?
LOL, the Bible doesn't say Christ ascended into heaven at two different years.
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Does he meet the disciples at Galilei or at Jerusalem?
Luk 24:50 Now He led them out as far as to Bethany, and, lifting up His hands, He blesses them."
Luk 24:51 And it occurred as He is blessing them, He put an interval between Himself and them, and He was carried up into heaven."
Bethany is 1.5 miles from Jerusalem.
Mat 28:16,17 Now the eleven disciples went into Galilee, into the mountain where Jesus arranges with them. And, perceiving Him, they worship Him, yet they hesitate."
Matthew does not state Jesus ascended into heaven from Galilee. Jesus was hanging around for 40 days after His resurrection.
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So it must be at "BOTH" places at "DIFFERENT" times in your mind.. but the authors and "common inspiration" just conveniently "forgot" to get each other to have to story completely straight on their own.
No, they got their story straight. You just are putting it together wrongly.
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I mean what are Jesus's ACTUAL final words? Each of the four gospels chosen (according to Ireneus) because the world have for corners and four winds, has a different quote.
None of the four gospels say "These are the final words Jesus spoke. But the account given of Him being taken up into heaven would most likely be the last words He spoke to the disciples.
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Where does Jesus ascend to heaven and how many times...
From Bethany is His final ascent and He ascended twice.
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To a die-hard bibliolatrist reconciliationist it would be "from both Bethany and Galilee and Mt. Olivet" at different times even though each book only mentions once from one place. Is Mt. Olivet in Bethany and Bethany in Galilee? If there is any contradiction, you would always say "There was another Bethany but that one inside Galilee, and another Mt. Olivet and that one in that Bethany. Sure the Mountain Range called "Olivet" in modern times reaches down to the ancient town of Bethany, but such a Map was designed so by modern men. The real Galilee, however, is about 60 miles from the real Bethany.
Bethany is on the eastern slope of Mt. Olivet.
The Bible doesn't say He ascended from Galilee.
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With those kind of mental gymnastics, there is also a perfect "reconciliation" of anything one may find contradictory in every religion and non-religious story (which there is, trust me I've tried).
There is nothing wrong with mental gymnastics especially when the brains of Christians are so well trained that we can run circles around the weak minds of the untrained unbeliever.
Of course the serpent and donkey were able to talk. The same God Who created the universe, is anything too hard for Him? No. Same goes for Jonah and Noah. Your problem is you think God is too weak.
Not that G-d is too weak, it is that G-d works within the confines of the natural law that He Himself created...
Not that G-d is too weak, it is that G-d works within the confines of the natural law that He Himself created...
No He doesn't.
Jesus feeding over 5,000 men, not including women and children, on a couple loaves of bread and a few fish is not within the natural law that He created. Nor is turning water into wine, nor is raising the dead nor walking on water nor ascending into heaven etc.
Jesus feeding over 5,000 men, not including women and children, on a couple loaves of bread and a few fish is not within the natural law that He created. Nor is turning water into wine, nor is raising the dead nor walking on water nor ascending into heaven etc.
Doesn't he also have a problem with iron chariots?
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