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And just because it also documented talking animals doesn't mean people didn't live over 900 years prior to the world-wide flood.
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Yes, existence of fables about talking animals "doesn't mean people didn't live over 900 years prior to the world-wide flood."
Also, existence of fables about people who lived over 900 years prior to the world-wide flood doesn't mean
there never was a talking animal.
Those are independent claims.
What is also true, that to a reasonable, rational person, both of these claims are simply something that needs to be completely ignored.
I don't know why they can't just say "god did it through evolution." I don't believe in their god but at least it would show they have some processing power. "Poof there it is" just doesn't match observations. Be it from a omni-dude or "from nothing". They can even use the proper definition of random and say their god set up all the solutions. silly millfundz.
they don't get that we are interested in "truth". And that "truth" can include personal emotional needs. We are here to heal not open the wounds. well, those of us that understand what's going on anyway. And we are outnumbered. want proof, do the math.
Only a Christian of weak faith in what the Bible actually says about our Guide would depend on a book and words written in ink instead of what is actually promised in that book.
I would fully agree with this. The problem arises of reliance on the bible instead of Christ within stemming from years of being told our hearts are desperately wicked and cannot be trusted, and that the bible is the word of God and can be trusted(sounds spiritual but is a down right lie). Even if our hearts are desperately wicked(and they are not) the scripture tell us to know and trust Christ not our hearts, and Christ dwells in our heart.
I would fully agree with this. The problem arises of reliance on the bible instead of Christ within stemming from years of being told our hearts are desperately wicked and cannot be trusted, and that the bible is the word of God and can be trusted(sounds spiritual but is a down right lie). Even if our hearts are desperately wicked(and they are not) the scripture tell us to know and trust Christ not our hearts, and Christ dwells in our heart.
If we can't trust the Bible on the Creation story can we trust any of it? Is its entirety in question?
If we can't trust the Bible on the Creation story can we trust any of it? Is its entirety in question?
Which interpretation of it do you trust ?. What difference does it make if you trust it or not?, when it clearly teaches that was is important is to trust the one it testifies of, the same Christ who said that we would be guided from within. When you trust Christ within you are not seeing what you believe he created according to your interpretation of creation, but what he's created in you. If any man be in Christ he is a new creation. The communication of our faith becomes effective by the acknowledgement of every good thing (created in us) that is in us that is in Christ.
Which interpretation of it do you trust ?. What difference does it make if you trust it or not?, when it clearly teaches that was is important is to trust the one it testifies of, the same Christ who said that we would be guided from within. When you trust Christ within you are not seeing what you believe he created according to your interpretation of creation, but what he's created in you. If any man be in Christ he is a new creation. The communication of our faith becomes effective by the acknowledgement of every good thing (created in us) that is in us that is in Christ.
Well, without it there would be no Christians. I thought it was the history of the Christian religion and the guidebook for conduct. What religion teaches believers to ignore the Bible?
Well, without it there would be no Christians. I thought it was the history of the Christian religion and the guidebook for conduct. What religion teaches believers to ignore the Bible?
Ignore is the wrong word. Its more about the logistics, which includes the component of standardization, having a book as a central anchor . It is fine to ignore "died, woke up, and flew away" as literal and put in its place how that event can be understood with today's understanding of what is going on around us. It would have him rise and live on without violating any major belief or self help components.
but the millfunds butcher commonsense and have more energy to outpost the rest of us, so true understanding is FUBAR-ED.
I'm having a little trouble understanding why a Christian who believes in God would have a problem believing Creation, Noah's flood and the other Biblical miracles exactly as written. They don't seem any less believable than a Creator who sees the sparrow fall and answers unspoken requests.
Well, without it there would be no Christians. I thought it was the history of the Christian religion and the guidebook for conduct. What religion teaches believers to ignore the Bible?
Hey? Christianity is founded upon the spirit of the message of Jesus Christ which unfortunately got perverted over the last 2000 years or so. If you want to see what evolution looks like, take a good look at the message of Jesus Christ and what it's evolved into today. I believe in creation, more than likely not how you do though.
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Reason: The grammar of a 3 year old.
I'm having a little trouble understanding why a Christian who believes in God would have a problem believing Creation, Noah's flood and the other Biblical miracles exactly as written. They don't seem any less believable than a Creator who sees the sparrow fall and answers unspoken requests.
You base this perception on the idea that all of the Bible is history and should be taken as history. It is not.
Try reading it as background materiel and literature for a history of the growing realization in one ethnic group of the nature of God. This will explain the contradictions in concepts throughout that theologians have to try to explain away to support their claim that it is essentially written by God. When you do this you will come to the God Jesus presents in the New Testament and find that the requirement is not to believe in the Bible, but in the message of God's love and our response.
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