The Biggest Tragedy Of Religion (God, principle, eternal, philosophy)

[mikebnllnb]

Originally Posted by Vizio

I don't believe that human beings are capable of being truly selfless.

Do you have children?

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by mikebnllnb

Do you have children?

Yes. 2 girls.

And any parent knows that a child is utterly self-centered at their core. It's the natural state of human beings.

[Petunia 100]

Originally Posted by Vizio

How does that work in nature? If you believe that human beings are just a process of evolution, why does that work? Helping others with no gain from it is contrary to the evolutionary process. You can compare us to pack animals and point out that we are like wolves--stronger as a collective, but do you really believe they feel the same emotions we do?

There is a gain. As stated, it makes one feel good.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by Petunia 100

There is a gain. As stated, it makes one feel good.

Why? How does that benefit the survival of a species?

[Petunia 100]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Why? How does that benefit the survival of a species?

Why must it benefit the survival of a species? Don't human beings seek out pleasure because they like pleasure? It certainly seems that way to me.

At any rate, I find it interesting that I agreed with you and now you seem to be changing your position. You stated this:

Originally Posted by Vizio

I don't believe that human beings are capable of being truly selfless. We are self-centered by nature. it's why communism has never worked.

Do you no longer think this way?

[Petunia 100]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Yes. 2 girls.

And any parent knows that a child is utterly self-centered at their core. It's the natural state of human beings.

Why? How does that benefit the survival of a species?

[Freak80]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

And how do you know it's untrue? I've seen lives changed and people get off the path of a destructive lifestyle by having faith in Christ. We are not merely organic machines. Stress, anxiety, fear, depression are all mental states that have real physical consequences and religion and faith combats those problems.

The biggest tragedy is believing you have no hope and that life is a walk on a slippery narrow high beam and one slip up or mistake and you suddenly no longer exist. Everything you built is meaningless and ground into dust.

The placebo effect is real, yes. A belief in something false can cause real, measurable changes in bodies and brains.

But there's a downside to placebos and it is this: if I'm dependent on a placebo for my mental and physical health, then the truth (that it's just a sugar pill) can literally become a health hazard.

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by Petunia 100

Helping others is ultimately selfish; it makes you feel good.

Nope, this sounds like a string being pulled behind a boat.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

Nope, this sounds like a string being pulled behind a boat.

But it's true.

I have given away quite a bit in the past few years, solely because someone(s) needed help and I was fortunate enough to be able to accommodate.

I don't believe in loans. I don't like the thought of being beholden, or someone feeling beholden to me. So, if I have extra, I give it.

I MUST confess to all those fundanatics out there -- I enjoy it.

It.

Gives.

Me.

(wait for it....)

Pleasure!



Frowny-faced bible godling be damned.

[mikebnllnb]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Yes. 2 girls.

And any parent knows that a child is utterly self-centered at their core. It's the natural state of human beings.

Your assertion was that human are not capable of being selfless. I wonder how anybody with children could make that statement. I'm not referring to the children themselves.