Evolving fish, as we speak, walk on land (believe, Earth, science)

[JerZ]

Even though those squirmy things kind of squick me out, I found this fascinating.

I believe I've heard something of these fish before...interesting stuff.

[Hannibal Flavius]

You ask me, The bible teaches evolution from cover to cover, overcoming the mind of a beast is the whole point.

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by Vizio

So you consider evolution science to be a religion?

Or are you just making a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them?

Religion requires faith, science requires understanding of it.

It is clear you have faith, and I will leave it up to others if you have understanding. I'm not sure what is provocative about wondering about those that have magical thinking as the basis of their perspective on life in general. One either has as firm conviction without evidence that magical entities are at play in their lives, or one faces reality and realize that magical entities are mind games one plays with oneself.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by cupper3

Religion requires faith, science requires understanding of it.

Yet, you are advocating that we believe in something that we cannot observe, and we cannot test. We must believe it based on faith.

It is clear you have faith, and I will leave it up to others if you have understanding. I'm not sure what is provocative about wondering about those that have magical thinking as the basis of their perspective on life in general. One either has as firm conviction without evidence that magical entities are at play in their lives, or one faces reality and realize that magical entities are mind games one plays with oneself.

I've just wondered why you feel the need to post something you call "science" on a religion message board. If you want to discuss your faith in said topic, great. But it seems to be miscategorized. Unless, of course, you're just making a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Yet, you are advocating that we believe in something that we cannot observe, and we cannot test. We must believe it based on faith....Snip.

Seriously, Vizio? Scientists have been testing and observing evolution for many decades.

CORRECTION: This misconception encompasses two incorrect ideas: (1) that all science depends on controlled laboratory experiments, and (2) that evolution cannot be studied with such experiments. First, many scientific investigations do not involve experiments or direct observation. Astronomers cannot hold stars in their hands and geologists cannot go back in time, but both scientists can learn a great deal about the universe through observation and comparison. In the same way, evolutionary biologists can test their ideas about the history of life on Earth by making observations in the real world. Second, though we can't run an experiment that will tell us how the dinosaur lineage radiated, we can study many aspects of evolution with controlled experiments in a laboratory setting. In organisms with short generation times (e.g., bacteria or fruit flies), we can actually observe evolution in action over the course of an experiment. And in some cases, biologists have observed evolution occurring in the wild. Misconceptions about evolution

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Seriously, Vizio? Scientists have been testing and observing evolution for many decades.

CORRECTION: This misconception encompasses two incorrect ideas: (1) that all science depends on controlled laboratory experiments, and (2) that evolution cannot be studied with such experiments. First, many scientific investigations do not involve experiments or direct observation. Astronomers cannot hold stars in their hands and geologists cannot go back in time, but both scientists can learn a great deal about the universe through observation and comparison. In the same way, evolutionary biologists can test their ideas about the history of life on Earth by making observations in the real world. Second, though we can't run an experiment that will tell us how the dinosaur lineage radiated, we can study many aspects of evolution with controlled experiments in a laboratory setting. In organisms with short generation times (e.g., bacteria or fruit flies), we can actually observe evolution in action over the course of an experiment. And in some cases, biologists have observed evolution occurring in the wild. Misconceptions about evolution

So....then it's not a religious belief? Why would he post it on this Religion board? Do you believe he was only trying to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them?

[TRANSPONDER]

I've asked myself why evolution is such a hot topic in the religious sphere. It is entirely because Creationism has made it so. Many Christians are ok with it, so it isn't a question of God or Evolution. It is because Genesis is maintained as literally true.

Now,as to it being observed, in a way,it is. Even Creationism accepts "Chance" is species. Because it has been observed. They deny that such change could eve become so great that the species would have to be given a new species -name. And because that takes time, we can't, as you say, observe it directly.

That doesn't make it a matter of faith but of evidence. There are many things we haven't seen for ourselves, such as a complete orbit of Pluto. But that is not to make it a matter of Faith. The Heliocentric system and the round earth had to wait a long time before they were were shown to be that way, but on evidence they had been established as scientifically reliable long before.

And very often we can't see a crime happen o film or even with eyewitnesses, so we rely on science to evaluate the evidence and explain what happened. We get court cases decided on that and if you want to say our police forensics is a matter of Faith, you do it.

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by Vizio

So....then it's not a religious belief? Why would he post it on this Religion board? Do you believe he was only trying to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them?

So, you, and others of a similar belief, are offended by the truth?

Can't handle, it, huh?

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER

Evolution is going on all the time, and given a few ten million years, some of those fish may become land -based and some more millions of years, may climb trees and even fly and may after 2 million years ...go back to the sea, like whales or penguins. Who knows?

This is exactly what I am saying.
Evolution is going on all the time. So what will become of today's humans in the coming few ten million years when the fish will evolve into tree climbing creatures?

Some people say, humans will become dolphins, as the water level is rising, we will eventually learn how to live in water.

But then the question is, what will become of the current day Dolphins?

[303Guy]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

But then the question is, what will become of the current day Dolphins?

We'll eat them.

The thing is, they are a very efficient life form in their environment so one might expect that like fish, they may continue on as they are for millions of years. The coelacanth has been around for some 65 million years (longer actually, they were thought to have gone extinct 65 million years ago with the dinosaurs).

For humans to become dolphin like would take some doing - we don't have tails to develop into flukes. Our current line of evolutionary characteristics dictates the direction we can evolve in. Mind you, there once existed a carnivorous duck! Not the crock billed duckapus either (crockaduck), a real life one.