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Old 06-19-2019, 07:28 PM
 
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I wouldn't say that speaks very well of christianity.
Why? Christianity is not text-based. It's based on a real person, just as the Bible is.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:32 PM
 
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Why? Christianity is not text-based. It's based on a real person, just as the Bible is.
Oh it isn't? Then why are so many christian proselytizers constantly quoting scriptures?
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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Oh it isn't? Then why are so many christian proselytizers constantly quoting scriptures?
Because they have lost their way, or they have not yet found it.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:06 PM
 
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Your mistake (and the mistake of most atheists) is referring to it as "The Bible". As if it were just one book.
It's NOT a book and never has been.

Christianity was formed and SOLIDIFIED by an event: The resurrection of Jesus Christ. The book came centuries later, and many Christians throughout history have never even read it.

It's a COLLECTION of books. As long as you keep thinking it's a book it will NEVER make sense.

And yet we haven't got a dime's worth of objective evidence the resurrection is and was anything more than a myth. Paul never saw Jesus while he was alive. He claims to have had some kind of mystical experience on the road to Damascus. Problem with all this is we haven't a dime's worth of evidence Paul even lived. Historians of the day don't mention a word of Paul or his trial or his travels so he's as big a mystery as the resurrection of Jesus. All we have are 7 epistles that Bible scholars have determined were written by the same hand. Whose hand that was we have no idea, and so they attribute them to Paul as a matter of tradition. We haven't dime's worth of proof the apostles were real. NONE of them are mentioned in any secular historic record of the day. Far as the gospels go they were written up to a century after Jesus' crucifixion by anonymous Greek authors with an agenda to spread the gospel of Jesus so we cannot trust that a single word in them that they attribute to Jesus was ever actually spoken by Jesus, because by the time the Greek writers got around to writing them all the witnesses to Jesus were either dead or just faded into history. The early days of the church are as flimsy and transparent as glossimer.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Because they have lost their way, or they have not yet found it.
Oh oh. There he goes again. Deciding who the real christians are.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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Two of my favorite books in the bible are the Psalms and Proverbs. The fact is that without Jesus Christ, we wouldn't even have an Old Testament. It would have faded into obscurity. That is one proof that convinces me.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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Two of my favorite books in the bible are the Psalms and Proverbs. The fact is that without Jesus Christ, we wouldn't even have an Old Testament. It would have faded into obscurity. That is one proof that convinces me.
It may convince you, but it's not proof.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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Two of my favorite books in the bible are the Psalms and Proverbs. The fact is that without Jesus Christ, we wouldn't even have an Old Testament. It would have faded into obscurity. That is one proof that convinces me.

Not true. We'd still have the Old Testament even if Jesus hadn't come along because it is part of the Jewish antiquity. The truth is the entire life of Jesus can be found in the Old Testament. That has nothing to do with prophecy. It has to do with the gospel writers modeling Jesus' life on characters from the Old Testament. Want to know about baby Jesus' flight to Israel from King Herod, just read Moses being hidden in the basket on the Nile because Pharaoh ordered all the baby Hebrew boys to be drowned at birth. Want to know about Jesus raising Jarius' daughter from the dead, just read Elijah raising the widows son from the dead. Want to know about Jesus being condemned to die and Barabbas being released, just look at the Passover custom of releasing a goat with bearing the Hebrews' sin into the wilderness and slaughtering the Lord's goat. It's all right there in the Old Testament. The gospel writers simply stole the stories and fashioned Jesus' life around them.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:05 AM
 
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Your mistake (and the mistake of most atheists) is referring to it as "The Bible". As if it were just one book.
It's NOT a book and never has been.
An anthology is a book of collected works. And your observation is irrelevant to the point Transponder made.

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Christianity was formed and SOLIDIFIED by an event: The resurrection of Jesus Christ. The book came centuries later, and many Christians throughout history have never even read it.
Now you are calling it a book. And even then it can not agree on whether the resurrection took place on earth or in heaven.

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It's a COLLECTION of books. As long as you keep thinking it's a book it will NEVER make sense.
Even as a collection of works and letters it often does not make sense, especially the contradictory second part.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:11 AM
 
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Why? Christianity is not text-based. It's based on a real person, just as the Bible is.
It's based on a real person? Really? I hate to break this to you but .....
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