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I can easily conceive of it, and I enjoy speculations along these lines. But, at the end of the day, I just don't see any good reason to actually believe it. Writers of astrology charts can say things that seem profoundly in tune with what happens in a person's life. But we have good psychological explanations for how this sort of thing works. Again, no real need for magical explanations.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
... a Non-Magical Alternative....but I personally find the retention of magical thinking and ancient ignorance ....the magical thinking typically passing for faith .....
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"Magical" = "that which I dont understand, or is too complex for me to grasp, so therefore i give it a patronizing condescending label" "that which others claim to know however I am much smarter than they are so therefore they can not ever know more than I do about anything so I will use a belittling dismissive label"
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..."that which others claim to know however I am much smarter than they are so therefore they can not ever know more than I do about anything so I will use a belittling dismissive label"
In my case I have repeatedly tried to acknowledge that there could be phenomena that are accessible through mystical or even magical types of insights, in which case some religious folks could have direct access to some sort of knowledge that I don't have. But I'm not going to believe them just because they say so, or because they agree with some ancient manuscripts. I think intuitions are extremely important, but I don't automatically accept them - even my own. I try to test them whenever I can.
In my case I have repeatedly tried to acknowledge that there could be phenomena that are accessible through mystical or even magical types of insights, in which case some religious folks could have direct access to some sort of knowledge that I don't have. But I'm not going to believe them just because they say so, or because they agree with some ancient manuscripts. I think intuitions are extremely important, but I don't automatically accept them - even my own. I try to test them whenever I can.
No one is asking you to change your beliefs.
Just to stop with the condescension.
If someone seriously believes modern is smarter they are intellectually crippled. Severely.
No one is asking you to change your beliefs.
Just to stop with the condescension.
If someone seriously believes modern is smarter they are intellectually crippled. Severely.
There are many posts that I need to respond to, but this one is just so glaringly misinformed. It has nothing to do with modern humans being SMARTER and everything to do with modern humans having significantly more knowledge (and more accurate knowledge) about reality and the world. Lack of valid and accurate information is what cripples intellect.
There are many posts that I need to respond to, but this one is just so glaringly misinformed. It has nothing to do with modern humans being SMARTER and everything to do with modern humans having significantly more knowledge (and more accurate knowledge) about reality and the world. Lack of valid and accurate information is what cripples intellect.
Nope.
Here's an example. You readily admit there are entire books of scripture that you don't have a clue what they are talking about. They were written thousands of years ago.
People then and now clearly know and understand a whole bunch of stuff that you don't.
Why is that so hard for you to admit?
When someone claims to be an intellectual it doesn't make them smarter it just means they look down on others and consider themselves superior. That is not wisdom it's just being a snob.
I'm identifying an attitude and behavior not speaking of any individual persons posting here on CD.
Nope.
Here's an example. You readily admit there are entire books of scripture that you don't have a clue what they are talking about. They were written thousands of years ago.
People then and now clearly know and understand a whole bunch of stuff that you don't.
Why is that so hard for you to admit?
The only book I said something like that about was Revelation. If you claim that anyone really knows what the "written LSD trip" portions of that book mean, please point them out to me.
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When someone claims to be an intellectual it doesn't make them smarter
You are just reiterating the point I made that it has nothing to do with being smarter, just more knowledgeable.
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it just means they look down on others and consider themselves superior. That is not wisdom it's just being a snob.
I'm identifying an attitude and behavior not speaking of any individual persons posting here on CD.
You clearly have a particular perception of being looked down upon that is simply not valid.
The only book I said something like that about was Revelation. If you claim that anyone really knows what the "written LSD trip" portions of that book mean, please point them out to me. You are just reiterating the point I made that it has nothing to do with being smarter, just more knowledgeable. You clearly have a particular perception of being looked down upon that is simply not valid.
People keep mentioning it because it keeps happening (talking down to people, being patronizing and condescending). Something else you are unwilling to (a) admit, and (b) seek to remedy.
Duly noted again, that which you do not understand you call an LSD trip. That which you can't fathom you ridicule. Can you see how that is problematic?
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Translation
"Magical" = "that which I don't understand, or is too complex for me to grasp, so therefore i give it a patronizing condescending label" "that which others claim to know however I am much smarter than they are so, therefore, they can not ever know more than I do about anything so I will use a belittling dismissive label"
The term "magical" has a very well-established meaning, denotation, and connotation when applied to things in reality. There is nothing patronizing or condescending about it. It simply reflects things that have no conceivable basis in the reality that we know about and understand. People are free to engage in magical thinking and believing, but that holds no sway in altering the status of what is believed.
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