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Old 11-08-2023, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The truth is clear
just use conscience and humanity and open eyes and independent brain
everyone has his own feeling
and he is the only one who will suffer his pain
and enjoy his pleasure

so he should make sure that he is right

There is no compulsion in religion.
The right direction is henceforth distinct from error.
And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break.
Allah is Hearer, Knower.
Allah is the Protecting Guardian of those who believe.
He bringeth them out of darkness into light.
As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities.
They bring them out of light into darkness.
Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.

another evidence

The Quran Describes the Creation of the Universe “The Big Bang” 1400 years ago

Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke,
and said unto it and unto the earth:
Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

*******
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth
were of one piece,
then We parted them,

and we made every living thing of water?
Will they not then believe?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bmmfDhsrVM
The truth is not clear, which is why there are so many different religions, and no religion.

Another unquestionable post by you that is questionable.
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Old 11-09-2023, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Originally Posted by truth_teller View Post
The truth is clear
just use conscience and humanity and open eyes and independent brain
everyone has his own feeling
and he is the only one who will suffer his pain
and enjoy his pleasure

so he should make sure that he is right
When yo uhave to threaten people to believe, it is as if you have no credible evidence.

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another evidence

The Quran Describes the Creation of the Universe “The Big Bang” 1400 years ago

<b>
Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke,
and said unto it and unto the earth:
Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
</b>
The Dao De Ching described the big bang AND the zero energy universe over 2000 years ago, therefore you should be Daoist, and not follow a copy cat religion.
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Old 11-13-2023, 01:03 PM
 
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another evidence

Umar bin Al-Khattab told me:

'While we were with the Messenger of Allah Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) one day,
a man appeared before us whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black.
We could see no signs of travel on him, but none of us knew him.
He came and sat before the Messenger of Allah Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) ,
putting his knees against his, and placing his hands on his thighs, then he said:
"O Muhammad, tell me about Islam."
He said: "It is to bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah
and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah,
to establish the Salah,
to give Zakah,
to fast Ramadan,
and to perform Hajj to the House if you are able to bear the journey."
He said: "You have spoken the truth."
And we were amazed by his asking him, and then saying, "You have spoken the truth".

Then he said: "Tell me about Faith."
He said: "It is to believe in Allah ,
His Angels,
His Books,
His Messengers,
the Last Day,
and in the Divine Decree, its good and its bad."
He said: "You have spoken the truth."

He said: "Tell me about Al-Ihsan."
He said: "It is to worship Allah as if you can see Him,
for although you cannot see Him, He can see you."

He said: "Tell me about the Hour."
He said: "The one who is asked about it does not know more about it than the one who is asking."

He said: "Then tell me about its signs."
He said: "When a slave woman gives birth to her mistress,
when you see the barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in making tall buildings.'"

'Umar said: 'Three (days) passed, then the Messenger of Allah said to me:
"O 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?"
I said: "Allah and His Messenger know best."
He said: "That was Jibril, peace be upon him, who came to you to teach you your religion.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:57 AM
 
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John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

Whoops. It appears the Christians also have unquestionable evidence from the mouth of their own god. So why should anyone believe your religion when it's name was chosen by mere men?
in these verses it is very clear that Jesus not God


for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a];
no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. John 10:29

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30

But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God,
then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matthew 12:28

But if I drive out demons by the finger of God,
then the kingdom of God has come to you. Luke 11:20

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The passage you quoted did not say he was. Why did you respond with an irrelevant remark instead of addressing what the quote said?
how about the above response
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Old 12-11-2023, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Originally Posted by truth_teller View Post
in these verses it is very clear that Jesus not God


for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a];
no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. John 10:29

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30

But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God,
then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matthew 12:28

But if I drive out demons by the finger of God,
then the kingdom of God has come to you. Luke 11:20



how about the above response
Not all Christians are trinitarians, so the scripture is still valid (unless quoting scripture is NOT unquestionable evidence ).
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Old 12-11-2023, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not all Christians are trinitarians, so the scripture is still valid (unless quoting scripture is NOT unquestionable evidence ).
But wait...aren't 'truthteller's' post unquestionable?
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Old 12-11-2023, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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another evidence

Umar bin Al-Khattab told me:

'While we were with the Messenger of Allah Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) one day,
a man appeared before us whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black.
We could see no signs of travel on him, but none of us knew him.
He came and sat before the Messenger of Allah Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) ,
putting his knees against his, and placing his hands on his thighs, then he said:
"O Muhammad, tell me about Islam."
He said: "It is to bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah
and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah,
to establish the Salah,
to give Zakah,
to fast Ramadan,
and to perform Hajj to the House if you are able to bear the journey."
He said: "You have spoken the truth."
And we were amazed by his asking him, and then saying, "You have spoken the truth".

Then he said: "Tell me about Faith."
He said: "It is to believe in Allah ,
His Angels,
His Books,
His Messengers,
the Last Day,
and in the Divine Decree, its good and its bad."
He said: "You have spoken the truth."

He said: "Tell me about Al-Ihsan."
He said: "It is to worship Allah as if you can see Him,
for although you cannot see Him, He can see you."

He said: "Tell me about the Hour."
He said: "The one who is asked about it does not know more about it than the one who is asking."

He said: "Then tell me about its signs."
He said: "When a slave woman gives birth to her mistress,
when you see the barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in making tall buildings.'"

'Umar said: 'Three (days) passed, then the Messenger of Allah said to me:
"O 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?"
I said: "Allah and His Messenger know best."
He said: "That was Jibril, peace be upon him, who came to you to teach you your religion.
So let me get this straight. Skyscrapers were made by naked barefoot shepherds ... therefore, Allah?
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Old 12-11-2023, 12:24 PM
 
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naked barefoot shepherds were poor and living in desert countries then they became very rich
and build Skyscrapers and each one of them want to build a Skyscrapers higher than the other

and that was a prophecy from the final Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)
in another word another evidence


and that is a sign for the last day count down
becasue this sign has took place

so may be 100 or 200 or 300 years or a little more for the last day IMO


He said: "Tell me about the Hour."
He said: "The one who is asked about it does not know more about it than the one who is asking."

He said: "Then tell me about its signs."
He said: "When a slave woman gives birth to her mistress,
when you see the barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in making tall buildings.'"
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Old 12-11-2023, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Originally Posted by truth_teller View Post
naked barefoot shepherds were poor and living in desert countries then they became very rich
and build Skyscrapers and each one of them want to build a Skyscrapers higher than the other

and that was a prophecy from the final Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)
in another word another evidence


and that is a sign for the last day count down
becasue this sign has took place

so may be 100 or 200 or 300 years or a little more for the last day IMO


He said: "Tell me about the Hour."
He said: "The one who is asked about it does not know more about it than the one who is asking."

He said: "Then tell me about its signs."
He said: "When a slave woman gives birth to her mistress,
when you see the barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in making tall buildings.'"
Except that if a person in architect or builder, they are not a shepherd, much less naked or barefoot.

I also suspect that in the prophet's time, a "tall building" was maybe 3 stories tall. You have no idea what he was on about. You're just deploying confirmation bias to fit it to a current event and declare it, post hoc, fulfilled.
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Old 12-11-2023, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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another evidence

about 100 years ago scintests discovered that the universe is expanding

The Holy Quran mentioned that more 1400 years ago

And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PWUTKkA5LQ
You're taking your own holy book out of context, to suit your mental gymnastics. 51:48 (the next verse after this one) uses the same word in reference to the earth, which refutes that your 51:47 was talking about the expansion of the universe.

The verse that follows that one is:

"As for the earth, We spread it out. How superbly did We smooth it out! And the earth We spread it out, How well We smoothed it out."

It makes no sense to interpret the same word as having a completely different meaning in the next verse.
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