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I believe they came from man to man, no god or higher powers involved but people used god as the source so that people would listen and abide by those laws.
THey've been recorded in the bible, that is not their origin.
Ideally the word is written in our hearts. Written because there is an author.
Or not, you know every work of art doesn't have to be made by an artist:
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You know life is extremely beautiful. The most awe inspiring thing is the complexity of it which comes from the constant struggle for survival that living things experience. They fight against the enviroment, against others and even themselves to remain alive. They are not perfect, nothing is. Yet they almost always manage to cope with whatever they are thrown at, they adapt becoming fine tuned to an otherwise inhospitable land.
Yet time and again people have the nerve to say this isn't so. Without a shred of objective evidence they attribute all that beauty to some imaginary invisible sky-daddy figure who is perfect and places humans above all things. They say they are immortal with immaterial souls inhabiting their physical bodies.
With their own wishful thinking they believe that somehow we are above all other living things when the harsh reality is that we are just another species of animals. With us gone, life would still prosper and the legacy we leave behind would not even last a mere ten thousand years. Y k'now if you scale the history of all living things into a 24 hour clock, the entire human history will only be 1.5 minutes long. We are nothing but an instantaneous blimp on the scale of existence.
As I'm writing this, i have my pet cockatiel named shacko sitting on my shoulder. As far as i can tell he doesn't have a concept of this god. He doesn't pray or ponders about the nature of war. He probably doesn't know what I do most of the time. He has the full range of emotions that i have(love, happiness, sadness) but just knows that I'm always there to keep him company, that whenever his plate gets low on food it will be refilled by me and that if he poops on the carpet, he will get shouted at. Do i think that somehow the universe places me above him? of course not heck i doubt the universe or anything that might be beyond it even cares about anything.
Your god sounds very appealing, who wouldn't love an omnipotent deity having a personal relationship with you. I imagine it being like having a superstar as a friend time a thousand. But my sense of curiosity stops me from giving in to personal incredulity and wishful thinking, which without any objective evidence, is what religion is based upon.
Agreed, the laws have been around before the bible, they came from God to man, and man at some point....wrote them down.
Doesn’t Genesis teach that we know right from wrong because Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil – in spite of God’s express directive not to do so?
Agreed, the laws have been around before the bible, they came from God to man, and man at some point....wrote them down.
godspeed,
freedom
No..
Many of things in the Bible were written in nonreligious scriptures years before.
And how can the "God's laws" have been given to mankind, but we still can't agree on some things? That is illogical. Many of us support rights for homosexuals. Christians don't for the most part.
Many of things in the Bible were written in nonreligious scriptures years before.
And how can the "God's laws" have been given to mankind, but we still can't agree on some things? That is illogical. Many of us support rights for homosexuals. Christians don't for the most part.
What is illogical is thinking man can agree on everything. There are some evil and some good, and many in between due to free will, choice and upbringing.
Religion has for the most part been a process of spiritual retardation on the masses, only the few break out of the chains that bind down the spirits and hopes of believers and seekers.
Many can take the name Christian upon them, few can live it. That goes for every belief and religion.
Doesn’t Genesis teach that we know right from wrong because Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil – in spite of God’s express directive not to do so?
That is how this earth fell into a lower estate than how it was created....Yes.
Man's mind and heart became aware of sin.
That is how this earth fell into a lower estate than how it was created....Yes.
Man's mind and heart became aware of sin.
Well if we became aware of right and wrong in spite of God's efforts, then it's hardly fair to give Him credit for establishing moral rules, now is it?
Well if we became aware of right and wrong in spite of God's efforts, then it's hardly fair to give Him credit for establishing moral rules, now is it?
Hey there friend. God created us with free will, and gave us the choice to obey Him or not to obey Him, to worship Him or not to worship Him, to love Him or not to love Him. He commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree that would make us aware of evil, because he knew the consequences it would bring, hence look at the world today. However, He did give us the option, but since He is perfect and all knowing, His command was righteous and the best for us. All of His commands are the best thing for us and righteous. They are all a reflection of love, and how much he cares for us. God knows both good and evil, but he is everything good and has no evil in Him. Love itself flows from Him, for he is love.
Hey there friend. God created us with free will, and gave us the choice to obey Him or not to obey Him, to worship Him or not to worship Him, to love Him or not to love Him. He commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree that would make us aware of evil, because he knew the consequences it would bring, hence look at the world today. However, He did give us the option, but since He is perfect and all knowing, His command was righteous and the best for us. All of His commands are the best thing for us and righteous. They are all a reflection of love, and how much he cares for us. God knows both good and evil, but he is everything good and has no evil in Him. Love itself flows from Him, for he is love.
Great! So then assuming all that's true, why are you giving God credit for establishing moral rules when we already have an inherent sense of right and wrong that was not given to us by God?
Great! So then assuming all that's true, why are you giving God credit for establishing moral rules when we already have an inherent sense of right and wrong that was not given to us by God?
The inherent (inherited) sense came from God.
All people have this given to them, Atheist and Theists. The names have been changed to comfort the individual perception.
Some say conscience, or just because. Others say being led by God. The author of all wisdom.
godspeed,
freedom
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