Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-23-2018, 05:21 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
16,677 posts, read 15,680,560 times
Reputation: 10929

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by OberonKing View Post
Ah, so you don't really understand math or statistics. That's okay, lots of people don't.
What specifically did fishbrains get wrong?
__________________
Moderator posts are in RED.
City-Data Terms of Service: //www.city-data.com/terms.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-23-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: The Ozone Layer, apparently...
4,004 posts, read 2,083,450 times
Reputation: 7714
Quote:
Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28 View Post
If you cannot afford to give, DO NOT GIVE...

If you can afford to give...WHY?

There are many place one can "give" money hat will help and probably do more than leaving a wad of cash with some church that has huge mortgages and expenses unrelated to feeding the poor, housing the homeless and caring for the marginalized.
That said, tithing is not just to help missionaries, etc. Any contributions to help other causes related to or supported by a church would be asked for separately from the members tithes. Tithing maintains the buildings and pays the utility bills and covers landscaping costs. It would be nice if those expenses were covered another way, but not very realistic as peoples lives become more and more rushed.

Tithing also covers the Pastor's salary. Many church's also provide a prospective pastor with a home, on or near the church grounds. This keeps the shepherd more readily available to his flock, and possibly attracts a higher quality candidate for the job of pastor.

Many people who will be tithing large sums of money (as has been said) use a bank check. At tax time, the check is proof of the claimed donation on the deduction list if a parishioner is ever audited by the IRS. These people may be donating very large sums of money but will simply pass the plate to the next parishioner at the service.

Tithing in the service, besides helping those who cannot donate large sums feel like they are contributing, also gives the next generation a hands-on feeling that they are contributing, like when a six year old puts 50 cents from their allowance into the plate each Sunday.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 07:38 AM
 
13,011 posts, read 13,052,712 times
Reputation: 21914
Quote:
Originally Posted by OberonKing View Post
Ah, so you don't really understand math or statistics. That's okay, lots of people don't.
Rather condescending coming from a person who confused median and average.

As Mensa asked, please point out any errors that I have made. I would be happy to admit ardor and correct.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
21,088 posts, read 29,231,979 times
Reputation: 7812
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComeCloser View Post
That said, tithing is not just to help missionaries, etc. Any contributions to help other causes related to or supported by a church would be asked for separately from the members tithes. Tithing maintains the buildings and pays the utility bills and covers landscaping costs. It would be nice if those expenses were covered another way, but not very realistic as peoples lives become more and more rushed.

Tithing also covers the Pastor's salary. Many church's also provide a prospective pastor with a home, on or near the church grounds. This keeps the shepherd more readily available to his flock, and possibly attracts a higher quality candidate for the job of pastor.

Many people who will be tithing large sums of money (as has been said) use a bank check. At tax time, the check is proof of the claimed donation on the deduction list if a parishioner is ever audited by the IRS. These people may be donating very large sums of money but will simply pass the plate to the next parishioner at the service.

Tithing in the service, besides helping those who cannot donate large sums feel like they are contributing, also gives the next generation a hands-on feeling that they are contributing, like when a six year old puts 50 cents from their allowance into the plate each Sunday.
What need does god have with money? Chapter and verse where Jesus took money from other people?

What monetary rewards did John the Baptist receive?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
21,088 posts, read 29,231,979 times
Reputation: 7812
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmiej View Post
A church does more than feed the poor. The church worships God, studies the Bible, offers counseling, etc., along with charity.
So what chapter and verse does god say to the church to collect money?

So worshipping god, studying he bible and counseling costs money???
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 12:07 PM
 
179 posts, read 80,679 times
Reputation: 133
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbrains View Post
Rather condescending coming from a person who confused median and average.

As Mensa asked, please point out any errors that I have made. I would be happy to admit ardor and correct.



Fake numbers. A church is unlikely to fall at the 'median' in membership, so it's just an exercise in false conclusions. As for 'inflation' not being relevant to '$61 K' , that's an error, too; buying power very much affects disposable incomes, nor does it represent take home pay. Nor are tithes going to some central offices where they get equally disbursed.


It's an absurd premise all around.


And, you're confused as to what median and average and mean are. I'm not th eleast bit confused by the differences nor the similarities.



Difference Between Average and Median | Difference Between


If you don't' like snark then don't use it yourself.

Last edited by OberonKing; 09-23-2018 at 12:25 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 02:08 PM
 
13,011 posts, read 13,052,712 times
Reputation: 21914
I believe my post and use if the terms stands for itself. I shall let your post doubling down on your lack of knowledge stand for itself.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
1,791 posts, read 1,866,437 times
Reputation: 1555
Quote:
Originally Posted by Disgustedman View Post

Just the odd thought I had. I have left churches that seemed to focus on "Donate,(Monetarily) tithe, (Monetarily) sacrifice (Monetarily)"...It's "We need this for this project, or that project. We fed 1200 family's last year, we're looking at feeding 2000.....Let's send kids to camp, give $50 we need to send socks to some country, donate $50"...

I know I should just dump my 10% in and leave it alone. But this just makes me wonder why I go when I know I'll be "Asked" to give/tithe/donate more....
Each family that joins our synagogue pays yearly membership dues, and most synagogues that I've been to also have a building fund that is paid into in addition to the dues. Each family knows what their portion of the operating cost and upkeep of the synagogue is. We do have fundraisers and other drives to raise money through out the year, but what we give is typically kept between the individual and the synagogue office. The only time I've seen what someone is giving is when we're dropping tzedakah in the box after weekday morning minyan, and that's typically just a single or two.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 10:26 PM
 
179 posts, read 80,679 times
Reputation: 133
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbrains View Post
I believe my post and use if the terms stands for itself. I shall let your post doubling down on your lack of knowledge stand for itself.

lol okay then ...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
31,373 posts, read 20,190,517 times
Reputation: 14070
Quote:
Originally Posted by OberonKing View Post
lol okay then ...

You've been made.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top