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Old 10-16-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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I've been getting the impression that the kind of people who think that they were born "sinful" might have been more like brats as children. I would also describe it as a kind of arrogance. Maybe more precocious than other children. The child who wishes that he could grow up faster and experiences "growing pains".

Then, when they become adults, or older children or maybe teenagers, they become a little more humble. They translate this experience into a kind of religious faith.

Does anyone else see some religious people as possibly following this pattern?

 
Old 10-16-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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I've been getting the impression that the kind of people who think that they were born "sinful" might have been more like brats as children. I would also describe it as a kind of arrogance. Maybe more precocious than other children. The child who wishes that he could grow up faster and experiences "growing pains".

Then, when they become adults, or older children or maybe teenagers, they become a little more humble. They translate this experience into a kind of religious faith.

Does anyone else see some religious people as possibly following this pattern?
I am religious, and I believe we are born "sinful," in the sense that we are fallible and limited, and not nearly as good and nice as we would like to think we are.

And I was not a brat.

I now believe that everyone who claims to be a good person is fooling themselves.

People define goodness all kinds of ways. People can be really nasty and still feel good about themselves. Because they manage not to see it.

And how far out of their way will each person go to help someone else? Not too far. And why should they, when our first responsibility is to ourselves and our immediate relatives.

We are all extremely limited. And a lot of people seem not to see that. Especially if they are atheists or New Agers.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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Nope
 
Old 10-16-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Nope... I waited until I was an adult.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 06:33 PM
 
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I am religious, and I believe we are born "sinful," in the sense that we are fallible and limited, and not nearly as good and nice as we would like to think we are.

And I was not a brat.

I now believe that everyone who claims to be a good person is fooling themselves.

People define goodness all kinds of ways. People can be really nasty and still feel good about themselves. Because they manage not to see it.

And how far out of their way will each person go to help someone else? Not too far. And why should they, when our first responsibility is to ourselves and our immediate relatives.

We are all extremely limited. And a lot of people seem not to see that. Especially if they are atheists or New Agers.
Frankly, I don't think there is a single person who claims to be "good". But I do think that some people think that ALL people are basically good. Or at least the majority of people are, when you discount those with certain psychological abnormalities.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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I've been getting the impression that the kind of people who think that they were born "sinful" might have been more like brats as children. I would also describe it as a kind of arrogance. Maybe more precocious than other children. The child who wishes that he could grow up faster and experiences "growing pains".

Then, when they become adults, or older children or maybe teenagers, they become a little more humble. They translate this experience into a kind of religious faith.

Does anyone else see some religious people as possibly following this pattern?
Maybe that is the source of my guilt, evryone who knew me and all my cousins were afraid of me when I was in the first grade, 5th graders would see me and avoid me like the plague because nobody had ever seen a more evil angry child, you sure wouldn't go to sleep around me if I was angry at you.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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I've been getting the impression that the kind of people who think that they were born "sinful" might have been more like brats as children. I would also describe it as a kind of arrogance. Maybe more precocious than other children. The child who wishes that he could grow up faster and experiences "growing pains".

Then, when they become adults, or older children or maybe teenagers, they become a little more humble. They translate this experience into a kind of religious faith.

Does anyone else see some religious people as possibly following this pattern?
Maybe that is the source of my guilt, evryone who knew me and all my cousins were afraid of me when I was in the first grade, 5th graders would see me and avoid me like the plague because nobody had ever seen a more evil angry child, you sure wouldn't go to sleep around me if I was angry at you. All the parents said the same thing to their children, '' Don't you hang around that devil,'' and they would say it in front of me, and even the parents slept with one eye open.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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I posed a bit of a challenge for parents, caregivers, and teachers.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 08:46 PM
 
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Were you a "brat" as a child?

Not a Brat, exactly, but I must have driven my Apes crazy.
 
Old 10-17-2018, 03:47 AM
 
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No, but then we reacted with our parents and they with us. We learnt that people are treated how they treat people.

We also had a fellow pupil who was hated by all because he let us know all the time how rich he was. From him we also learnt this lesson.

None of my friends were brats but grew up religious. I can not see a connection between religion and whether one is a brat or not.
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