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No one has any idea what matter is made of. Yet you confidently state that everything is made of matter.
So what? It is proven beyond question that stuff is made of molecules and molecules are made of atoms and atoms are made of particles. This is known even if it isn't quite understood yt what the particles are made of. You are doing the familiar error of arguing that because we don't know everything, we don't know anything.
So what? It is proven beyond question that stuff is made of molecules and molecules are made of atoms and atoms are made of particles. This is known even if it isn't quite understood yt what the particles are made of. You are doing the familiar error of arguing that because we don't know everything, we don't know anything.
It isn't QUITE understood YET????
You are doing the familiar error of implying that something completely unknown is close to being understood.
And I NEVER said we don't know anything. We know that atoms are made of particles and molecules are made of atoms, etc. We know something, and I never said we don't know anything. I hear that accusation all the time from materialists. You know some things. Many others you don't know. And one of the things you DO NOT KNOW is what matter is made of.
So without knowing what matter is made of, your belief that everything is made out matter has no meaning.
You are doing the familiar error of implying that something completely unknown is close to being understood.
And I NEVER said we don't know anything. We know that atoms are made of particles and molecules are made of atoms, etc. We know something, and I never said we don't know anything. I hear that accusation all the time from materialists. You know some things. Many others you don't know. And one of the things you DO NOT KNOW is what matter is made of.
So without knowing what matter is made of, your belief that everything is made out matter has no meaning.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
And one of the things you DO NOT KNOW is what matter is made of.
NO, one of the things YOU do not know is what matter is made of. Einstein figured it out a century ago.
E=MC²
Energy E is one of the forms that M, mass or matter, takes.
Wikipedia
Mass–energy equivalence
In physics, mass–energy equivalence states that anything having mass has an equivalent amount of energy and vice versa, with these fundamental quantities directly relating to one another by Albert Einstein's famous formula: E=MC² https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E...gy_equivalence
Closing your eyes and covering your ears does not prevent others from paying attention.
NO, one of the things YOU do not know is what matter is made of. Einstein figured it out a century ago.
E=MC²
Energy E is one of the forms that M, mass or matter, takes.
Wikipedia
Mass–energy equivalence
In physics, mass–energy equivalence states that anything having mass has an equivalent amount of energy and vice versa, with these fundamental quantities directly relating to one another by Albert Einstein's famous formula: E=MC² https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E...gy_equivalence
Closing your eyes and covering your ears does not prevent others from paying attention.
You are ignorant of modern physics then. If Einstein had figured out what matter is, then physicists would not still be trying, vainly, to figure it out. Why did they bother developing string theory? Which, of course, failed to answer the question. Why are they still trying?
Einstein showed the relationship between matter and energy. That does not tell us what matter is, or what energy is.
You have not been paying attention to the evolution of science.
Your objections are pointless. The universe is made of matter. Atoms and particles are matter. If something else makes atoms and particles, it is still matter. There is a conversion of matter to energy and vice verse, but that doesn’t change the fact that the universe consists of matter.
What the universe isn’t made of, nor have you even tried to defend your claim, is information. The universe contains information, in that information is a quantification and description of matter as perceived and utilized by a conscious mind. Information is essentially an emergent property of matter.
But matter, in whatever form, is more fundamental than information, which is merely a property of matter.
Your objections are pointless. The universe is made of matter. Atoms and particles are matter. If something else makes atoms and particles, it is still matter. There is a conversion of matter to energy and vice verse, but that doesn’t change the fact that the universe consists of matter.
What the universe isn’t made of, nor have you even tried to defend your claim, is information. The universe contains information, in that information is a quantification and description of matter as perceived and utilized by a conscious mind. Information is essentially an emergent property of matter.
But matter, in whatever form, is more fundamental than information, which is merely a property of matter.
Complete nonsense. You don't know what matter is. And you don't know what information is.
Your objections are pointless. The universe is made of matter. Atoms and particles are matter. If something else makes atoms and particles, it is still matter. There is a conversion of matter to energy and vice verse, but that doesn’t change the fact that the universe consists of matter.
What the universe isn’t made of, nor have you even tried to defend your claim, is information. The universe contains information, in that information is a quantification and description of matter as perceived and utilized by a conscious mind. Information is essentially an emergent property of matter.
But matter, in whatever form, is more fundamental than information, which is merely a property of matter.
The universe is made of a unified field that manifests as various vibratory events like photons, particles, atom, molecules, consciousness, etc. The Standard model can account for many of those manifestations but NOT the manifestations in consciousness including information. The information is an abstraction at the level of consciousness above materiality as are the other cognitive constructs that consciousness interprets from the actual data manifestations in the Standard Model.
Mechanics cannot - I repeat, cannot, function without a precisely controlled force.
If we look at the mechanist aspect of the universe then our basic knowledge and common sense should tell us that there HAS to be a controlled and precise force behind all this to run.
A general religious take on evolution is that, yes indeed, there are evolution processes that happen in nature but they don’t happen as a result of an infinite number of accidents.
Evolution is a controlled process by this force that is running this entire madness.
And man is sent down to earth by God. (That’s faith). He did not evolve from monkeys, chimps and common ancestor. Darwin only oresent a theory that non religious people tend to believe and religious people don’t - and I don’t have an issue with either.
Human being is perhaps one of the only exception to this mechanic aspect of the universe. Because humans seem to be a blend of mechanics with greater intelligence
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Many of our body organs function as a machine with no choice - they simply do their job - and our brains provide a greeter aspect of intelligence, and hence we the natural ability to make choices.
Rest of the universe seems to be functioning on mechanical basis with little to no intelligence - and no choice - just like a machine.
A force or two cannot function - I also repeat, cannot, function without a mechanic or two to function in.
If we apply the logical implications fully, then we can justly apply the idea that the forcist aspect of the universe (and our basic knowledge and common sense should tell us this also) means that there HAS to be a controlled and precise mechanic behind all of this force to run.
We the skeptics, the secularists, and mostly the pro-science crowd have dragged the "almost general but not just yet" religious take on evolution to be seen as almost a fully natural autonomous process.
Evolution is naturally autonomous and there is no madness to it expect to the mind that has get to at least get a grasp at comprehending it. A man is born of a woman like an animal is born of a female, and a man has evidence of evolution from the same common ancestors as other multicellular eukaryotes, chordates, mammals, apes. This evidence is in the fossil record, in the genes, in the chromosomes, in the cells, in the anatomy and physiology, in the embryology, etc.
Animals definitely have abilities to make choices, to feel attachment and caring, to feel fear and wrath, to make plans, to act out their feelings of fairness, grief, joy, etc. Rest of the universe seems to be functioning on mechanical and forceful basis with little to no intelligence - and no choice - just like trees, suns, crystals, etc. Which are certainly not intelligence-made machines, but exist and cease to exist like patterns of foam on the seashore, like stars gathering themselves down-hill of gravity and blowing up.
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