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i don't. It just looks to you like that because you have a faith -based conviction that what science knows about the way the 5% reality we do know about (the rest is all 'Unknowns') is somehow invalid and that faith -based speculations and beliefs are somehow better. It only mystifies you and your Ilk because you will not listen to the explanations that I repeatedly make.
Rather it mystifies me why you can't see that you are admitting this fact every time you try to fiddle what 'science knows' to make it support your faith -based beliefs.
yeah yeah yeah.
dude died and rose for our sins
or
obscure science when theist can use it and make atheism harder to sell.
both, blind faith statements, misused by people that are on a crusade to save the world.
Here is the essence of the skeptic's view of prayer:
"I prayed for a gold brick to materialize in front of me while sitting at my kitchen table. I told God I would give him 5 minutes. I sat there for 10 minutes. Nothing happened. Conclusion: God doesn't exist."
i don't. It just looks to you like that because you have a faith-based conviction that what science knows about the way the 5% reality we do know about (the rest is all 'Unknowns') is somehow invalid and that faith-based speculations and beliefs are somehow better. It only mystifies you and your Ilk because you will not listen to the explanations that I repeatedly make.
Rather it mystifies me why you can't see that you are admitting this fact every time you try to fiddle what 'science knows' to make it support your faith-based beliefs.
If you were capable of extrapolating the basic reductionist materialist view into the ongoing revelations in the quantum realm and in the cosmological realm, you would see why it no longer suffices. But, you seem content to stick with it because it satisfies your need for concreteness in your view of the world. It is a pragmatic and fundamentally flawed view.
Here is the essence of the skeptic's view of prayer:
"I prayed for a gold brick to materialize in front of me while sitting at my kitchen table. I told God I would give him 5 minutes. I sat there for 10 minutes. Nothing happened. Conclusion: God doesn't exist."
Pure stupidity and childishness.
This is foolishness. There are things that many of us have asked for in prayer that were noble and desperately needed. And what did we get? People like you.
This is foolishness. There are things that many of us have asked for in prayer that were noble and desperately needed. And what did we get? People like you.
Everyone despised Jesus too. Not that I'm comparing myself to him.
Here is the essence of the skeptic's view of prayer:
"I prayed for a gold brick to materialize in front of me while sitting at my kitchen table. I told God I would give him 5 minutes. I sat there for 10 minutes. Nothing happened. Conclusion: God doesn't exist."
Pure stupidity and childishness.
Here is the essence of an Ozzy post.
Invent a stupid example, then use that to attack atheism.
Everyone despised Jesus too. Not that I'm comparing myself to him.
So the Christians tell us. apparently because a prophecy says that should be the case. But doesn't the Bible say that he was admired and listened to and large crowds listed to him with delight (Mark)?
If you want to find people who are despised, (at least by USA Christians), consider the bad rap atheists get.
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Here is the essence of the skeptic's view of prayer:
"I prayed for a gold brick to materialize in front of me while sitting at my kitchen table. I told God I would give him 5 minutes. I sat there for 10 minutes. Nothing happened. Conclusion: God doesn't exist."
Pure stupidity and childishness.
Yes, your strawman argument is stupid and childish.
The actual argument is that prayer is not validated to produce any effect that is clearly beyond anything that we might expect if prayer didn't work.
Further, Christianity knows that it doesn't work as they constantly have to find excuses as to why it doesn't. 'God thinks you shouldm't have it', 'Maybe later', 'That's not what prayer is about'. Anything to excuse that they know it doesn't deliver.
Finally, the Bible is specific about prayers being answered. It is not true because if it was you could pray a gold brick into existence. Excuse it and write your own scriptural footnotes as much as you like - the Bible's been pretty much re-written to say something else, after all - but you still won't get what the Bible says in clear scripture prayer (with just a mustard grain of faith - Luke) will get you.
If you were capable of extrapolating the basic reductionist materialist view into the ongoing revelations in the quantum realm and in the cosmological realm, you would see why it no longer suffices. But, you seem content to stick with it because it satisfies your need for concreteness in your view of the world. It is a pragmatic and fundamentally flawed view.
No. You have it back to front. I extrapolate nothing. I claim nothing. That's why I don't 'believe' in anything extrapolated until science validates it.
Either you do extrapolate (and deny it when your 'science' gets shown up as wrong - save it, the posters have seen two examples AND your repeat of them AND the denial that you were wrong) or you don't in which case, you should be maning no more of a claim than me - no claim at all. In fact you assert many things, apparently on Faith, and then try to excuse yourself from validating any of it by claiming that an 'opinion' is not a claim.
Yet again, you are bamboozling nobody. Inflated persiflage notwithstanding.."extrapolating the basic reductionist materialist view into the ongoing revelations in the quantum realm" indeed
Translated it means' "Quantum" used as a smokescreen for faith -claims.
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