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I don't see it as self centredness. I see it as Tzaph describing something within oneself.
I see it as the personal experience fallacy. Characterized by claims, assertions, more claims, more assertions, and no demonstrable evidence for any of it. It is a dazed and confused combination of intellectual misfeasance and malfeasance.
so it doesn't apply to you
and it doesn't apply to me.
but it applies to everyone else.
billions and billions of people, you are saying that the universe hates them, does not know them, does not care about them.
sorry, harry, i don't find that to be rational.
Yes, changing my argument from everyone to everyone except you and me is irrational. It is called a straw man fallacy.
Changing my argument from "either the universe does not know about you, it does not care about you, or it hates you" to the universe doing all three is irrational. That too is called a straw man fallacy.
Yes, changing my argument from everyone to everyone except you and me is irrational. It is called a straw man fallacy. Changing my argument from "the universe does not know about you, it does not care about you, or it hates you" to the universe doing all three is irrational. That too is called a straw man fallacy.
sorry harry it's becoming less clear instead of more clear.
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sorry harry it's becoming less clear, instead of more clear.
I lost track of the comparison of atheism to Christianity some time ago, Tzaph. right after we stopped arguing that some claims address fact and others address human preference.
I lost track of the comparison of atheism to Christianity some time ago, Tzaph. right after we stopped arguing that some claims address fact and others address human preference.
indeed.
Thanks Trans.
02-06-2020, 01:16 PM
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Iwas can't help but to misrepresent, sidetrack, obfuscate, and run. It's his modus operandi.
Well Ok, that's a hard one - you see, I find the Christian God to be problematic because of the biblical descriptions of God and also because of the Christian view that Jesus is God and the Trinity of God concept.
I don't think I would start going to church and worshipping. I think I would simply acknowledge the existence of God and continue living my life normally with that knowledge. I might question the practice of praying since I have never witnessed a prayer being answered unless the purpose of prayer is an internal spiritual one, something like meditation perhaps.
I'm sure I would question the validity of the bible because of reasons well covered in these threads.
If the Christian God exists, then so does heaven and hell. Are you saying you’d reject the free gift of salvation even if you were convinced that God exists?
If the Christian God exists, then so does heaven and hell. Are you saying you’d reject the free gift of salvation even if you were convinced that God exists?
actually that's not the case.
monotheism by definition is one god.
if that one god is the Creator of everything, then it is the same god.
heaven and hell have nothing to do with the existence of god. they are elements of this or that specific religion. so they are dependent on "religion." they are an aspect of a religion. they are not an aspect of god.
god is not dependent on religion.
therefore all the add-ons of any religion (such as heaven or hell) do not affect or change the existence of God. the add-ons are just various ideas, views, thoughts, preferences for how to be in relationship with the one god that is the Creator of the universe.
many paths. same mountain.
and not every path features "heaven and hell."
the mountain is not changed or affected by the decorations added to it.
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02-06-2020, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiloh1
Iwas can't help but to misrepresent, sidetrack, obfuscate, and run. It's his modus operandi.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
actually that's not the case.
monotheism by definition is one god.
if that one god is the Creator of everything, then it is the same god.
heaven and hell have nothing to do with the existence of god. they are elements of this or that religion. so they are dependent on "religion." they are not dependent on god.
god is not dependent on religion.
therefore all the add-ons of any religion have nothing to do with the existence of God.
just various ideas, views, thoughts, preferences for how to be in relationship with (for monotheists, the one god that is) the Creator of the Universe
...says the atheist who spends all his time on a “Religion & Spirituality” forum denying God’s existence.
I’m thoroughly convinced but it seems you are still struggling to come to terms with your worldview. Maybe an atheistic form of Hinduism will bring you peace of mind. I’m OK with whatever you want to believe. Your choice. Your consequences.
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