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OK...let's go slow. You said that people have morality without God. How is that?
Wow, since I have so many many atheist friends...lemme clue you in, my friend BF...
over decades now of observation (and me once being a Charismatic)....my atheist buddies are WAY
more honest in every way compared to my Christian friends....and lemme tell you the things my Christian friends have done have blown my mind....I helped them see their ways.
I didn't get mad at them or anything....I was in too much shock I think.
I would trust phet or TRANS or Trout Dude with anything...a secret, Executor of my Will;...anything.
Their honesty and morality exudes from them.
Wow, since I have so many many atheist friends...lemme clue you in, my friend BF...
over decades now of observation (and me once being a Charismatic)....my atheist buddies are WAY
more honest in every way compared to my Christian friends....and lemme tell you the things my Christian friends have done have blown my mind....I helped them see their ways.
I didn't get mad at them or anything....I was in too much shock I think.
I would trust phet or TRANS or Trout Dude with anything...a secret, Executor of my Will;...anything.
Their honesty and morality exudes from them.
Hi LearnMe. If a creator God exists, who created humans and who has moral standards for how he wants those humans to behave, then those moral standards are said to be objective, in that they apply to all humans and supersede all cultural or subjective individual standards of morality.
From an atheistic worldview perspective, for instance, the view is that people/cultures agree upon standards of morality based on biological or socially advantageous reasons, but these reasons are not objective standards, in that they can change depending on the culture or historical context.
Hello Iwas,
That's a big IF you begin with, but even IF true, I don't see why my moral standards are any less objective when in fact I try to "do unto others as I would have them do unto me" free of how religion or God has taught to the contrary. Like how to treat gay people for example...
Time for me to sign off this forum again today. Unfortunate, since I'm sure we're all about to agree and conclude about all this within a comment or two. But I'll see those results perhaps tomorrow when I return.
I have never known moral people. I've only ever known evil folk. Jesus is the only person who really demonstrated supreme goodness without wavering. Without Jesus & His demonstration of how to live goodly till death there would be no example of moral behaviour to follow in this world. Jesus provided the Standard & the path for all to follow.
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius
There are people E V E R Y WHERE that live good lives even with unbelievable forgiveness from an Atheist, a Hindu, a Muslim. Christianity hardly has a monopoly on being good people doing good things.
I didn't say Christians are good people. They have their failings like everyone else. Only Jesus was Good in every way all the time & was taken to Heaven for His Goodness.
People adore satan. There are countless forums filled with masses who believe Satan is the ultimate good guy. There are countless more forums filled with people who idolise hitler as the ultimate good guy.
So we can say Mickey Mouse was a good person or some other nobody was a good person, or our pet dog is a good dog etc etc, but Only Jesus truly demonstrated real goodness. And if you are an honest person you can see that
Wow, since I have so many many atheist friends...lemme clue you in, my friend BF...
over decades now of observation (and me once being a Charismatic)....my atheist buddies are WAY
more honest in every way compared to my Christian friends....and lemme tell you the things my Christian friends have done have blown my mind....I helped them see their ways.
I didn't get mad at them or anything....I was in too much shock I think.
I would trust phet or TRANS or Trout Dude with anything...a secret, Executor of my Will;...anything.
Their honesty and morality exudes from them.
I never said that an atheist couldn't be a decent person. You completely misread my post.
That's not what I said. I said that people behave with the same morality even if they live in places where God isn't part of their religious culture. That's an observable fact. Are you denying that people in India, Japan and China behave morally?
Do you understand that I'm not asking about what religion one belongs to that dictates behavior?
I would trust phet or TRANS or Trout Dude with anything...a secret, Executor of my Will;...anything.
Awww, I was passed over again
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I have never known moral people. I've only ever known evil folk. Jesus is the only person who really demonstrated supreme goodness without wavering. Without Jesus & His demonstration of how to live goodly till death there would be no example of moral behaviour to follow in this world. Jesus provided the Standard & the path for all to follow.
