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Old 09-30-2019, 05:57 PM
 
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It struck me that the evidence does rely on one book; one claim.

This is logical fallacy.
Evidence does not rely on Bible.
Bible relied on verbal testimonies of certain people that witnessed a Master, a Guru, A Teacher.

Just like some witnessed Mahavir, or Buddha, or Muhammad. Or, Quetzalcoatl. Does not matter.
All those were real life people, real life teachers, real life gurus.


What their teachings were turned into later, by followers of profiteers from religion (after all, religion is VERY lucrative business) is a different story.


But evidence was not in the bible, as there was no bible. Bible was without any doubt - any believer will have to absolutely twist their mind and logic, to prove otherwise - created as an aftereffect to already existing bunch of followers that, was gaining popularity and had an idea, that was useful both for politicians and for the money oriented folk. Afterall, religion is one of the best crowd controls.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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It’s unlikely that a religion would have developed in the first place if that was true. Too many people would have had to perpetuate the lie.
People perpetuate lies all the time.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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It struck me that the evidence does rely on one book; one claim.

This is logical fallacy.
Evidence does not rely on Bible.
Bible relied on verbal testimonies of certain people that witnessed a Master, a Guru, A Teacher.
The books were all written 80 or more years later. No witnesses left. Just fairy tales passed down. No different than Grimms.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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People perpetuate lies all the time.
That many people, for that long?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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You have devised a test which validates all of the great religions. Too many Islamic believers to suspect that it isn't backed by solid proof?
What supernatural event caused Islam?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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It’s unlikely that a religion would have developed in the first place if that was true. Too many people would have had to perpetuate the lie.
Then you are saying that all religions in all time have been valid. Think before you write.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:44 PM
 
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What evidence? The religion that resulted.

Truth is, Mormonism spread much faster than Christianity, jimmie. Why aren't you a Mormon? Or a Muslim?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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What supernatural event caused Islam?

The same supernatural event that caused Christianity: an ascension into the sky. But where's the historical proof for either outside the Koran and the Bible?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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With or without the Bible there is no “evidence “ at all of the existence of Jesus
Christianity is a discipline and religion a Jewish sect although very unpopular
It has made me what I am
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:12 PM
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I second that. And it's even more notable in that it grew to something huge, all while in a vacuum of "no information age". Information now is accepted simply by exposure, and passed remotely. But the Gospel, in contrast, was with personal eyewitness, by thousands of people over several years. There's no way to bury or hide that. With with no Bible, it still would have continued on.
True.
Christianity existed before the all the books Bible were even completed, much less canonized into the compilation we have today.
Something happened couple thousand years ago that didn't require a book to be known.
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