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Old 09-01-2020, 05:38 AM
 
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no beginning =
always was, always will be
correct. a beginnings means it came into existence and anything that is born dies. brahman exists, no beginning and no end.
the world is a projection of our mind. it has a relative existence not absolute. this requires explanation.
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Old 09-01-2020, 05:56 AM
 
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Something has to inform the practice unless one just randomly prays and meditates,
waiting for random inspiration. Even the Buddha had to go through a lot before
he sat under the tree. Or maybe the idea is that life itself provides the information
for inspiration. Just stop, pray, and meditate using whatever we have at that moment.
then just keep doing the process as often as possible or desirable.
Live, stop, pray/meditate, live, stop....

that's kind of what we're doing out here in C-D land.
Live, post, read post, think, post,live,read,post...
the vedas are the scriptures that govern daily life. vedānta are the end of each of the 4 vedas. these are philosophical discourse that sort of sidesteps the scriptures and some just ignores them. they are called upanishad and are named after the seer, some have no name. Advaita is a school of thought based 10 of the most important of the Upanishads and assets the oneness of the Brhmam and Atma, the universal and individual. the split occurs due to ignorance in the jiva, the individual being. the purpose of life is to remove the ignorance and realize one’s true self, that shines with its own brilliance, eternal, and tranquil.
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:08 AM
 
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the Vedas also have several Slokas, prayers, for worship. they have amazing imagery and also contain many of the Advaitic principles contained within them in a subtle manner. they see a oneness in a multitude of deities.
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Old 09-01-2020, 07:24 AM
 
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the vedas are the scriptures that govern daily life. vedānta are the end of each of the 4 vedas. these are philosophical discourse that sort of sidesteps the scriptures and some just ignores them. they are called upanishad and are named after the seer, some have no name. Advaita is a school of thought based 10 of the most important of the Upanishads and assets the oneness of the Brhmam and Atma, the universal and individual. the split occurs due to ignorance in the jiva, the individual being. the purpose of life is to remove the ignorance and realize one’s true self, that shines with its own brilliance, eternal, and tranquil.
It can be a simple, but profound, intuitive shift in perspective for some lucky people.
Most others (like me) should be prepared, step by step, to make the shift.
Maybe the reward is proportionate to the effort.

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Old 09-02-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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It can be a simple, but profound, intuitive shift in perspective for some lucky people.
Most others (like me) should be prepared, step by step, to make the shift.
Maybe the reward is proportionate to the effort.

yupperz ...

a disoriented brain coming back on line and aligning everything it knows it a more meaningful way. mystic did it through meditation others just have a jarring event in their lives. I wouldn't call the jarring event "lucky" every time.
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Old 09-02-2020, 12:32 PM
 
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It can be a simple, but profound, intuitive shift in perspective for some lucky people.
Most others (like me) should be prepared, step by step, to make the shift.
Maybe the reward is proportionate to the effort.
I think that points to karma and reincarnation. I have approached my exploration of advaita with not much faith in the two concepts. but it is becoming plausible to me that the only thing that remains of our life is consciousness, everything else perishes.

what advaita says is that the consciousness, because of the desires that are carried in it, and not having fully realized its true nature within a lifetime, becomes sentient again, hopefully in a human form, so it can evolve some more.
each jiva with a consciousness on its own path of self-dicovery over a single life time.
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Old 09-02-2020, 01:43 PM
 
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I think that points to karma and reincarnation. I have approached my exploration of advaita with not much faith in the two concepts. but it is becoming plausible to me that the only thing that remains of our life is consciousness, everything else perishes.
You are beginning to get it - consciousness is really all there is. The physical is simply the venue and processes for reproducing consciousness in the living God.
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Old 09-02-2020, 02:11 PM
 
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I think that points to karma and reincarnation. I have approached my exploration of advaita with not much faith in the two concepts. but it is becoming plausible to me that the only thing that remains of our life is consciousness, everything else perishes.

what advaita says is that the consciousness, because of the desires that are carried in it, and not having fully realized its true nature within a lifetime, becomes sentient again, hopefully in a human form, so it can evolve some more.
each jiva with a consciousness on its own path of self-dicovery over a single life time.
There seems to be a philosophical conundrum about "true nature" that I haven't found addressed in the literature yet. With so many Vedic texts and karikas and interpretations passed along from teacher to teacher across generations, "true nature" can be seen differently. Brahman can be seen differently from person to person. However, it should be a unification, not a diversity, shouldn't it?
I could address this in a different thread if you like. It probably gets into the Brahma Sutras.
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Old 09-02-2020, 02:28 PM
 
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There seems to be a philosophical conundrum about "true nature" that I haven't found addressed in the literature yet. With so many Vedic texts and karikas and interpretations passed along from teacher to teacher across generations, "true nature" can be seen differently. Brahman can be seen differently from person to person. However, it should be a unification, not a diversity, shouldn't it?
I could address this in a different thread if you like. It probably gets into the Brahman Sutras.
From everything that I have read, not that many considering how MUCH there is, I don't see the nature of Brhman seen differently, but with the same consistency. I have not read the Brhma Sutras but I doubt it would be different, but I don't know.
If you think a new thread would be a good way to talk about it that is fine with me.
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Old 09-02-2020, 03:00 PM
 
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I think that points to karma and reincarnation. I have approached my exploration of advaita with not much faith in the two concepts. but it is becoming plausible to me that the only thing that remains of our life is consciousness, everything else perishes.

what advaita says is that the consciousness, because of the desires that are carried in it, and not having fully realized its true nature within a lifetime, becomes sentient again, hopefully in a human form, so it can evolve some more.
each jiva with a consciousness on its own path of self-dicovery over a single life time.
everything is just a series of states changes expressing information. The question is "Are those state changes happening in a manor to express information in a meaningful way?"

well, one look around and the answer of "no" is such an extraordinary claim that needs to be justified.

Your last stance points to an evolving universe. Witten does some talks on it. And it is a very real possibility.
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