The R&S Pantheism Thread (atheist, quote, God, believers)
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I note that, "All the Energy/Mass that exists, in totality, is what comprises "Reality"...because a definition/meaning of the word/term "G-O-D" is that it represents The Supreme or Ultimate Reality.
As far as "agency", "forward-planning", "self-awareness", etc...I gave my views on that many times.
1st...there is this: It doesn't matter whether this creation, control, and maintaining/sustaining/eliminating happened out of what some believe to be "chaos"...and organized itself by "random chance"...it is an OBJECTIVE FACT that that has happened, and is still happening.
Also...I have noted...if God is ALL, those traits are intrinsically inclusive...because, as "ALL", it necessarily IS those traits/characteristics, let alone just possess them.
God IS "consciousness" and "orchestration"...and any and every other trait imaginable. ALL is all.
That's why I consider it be a God to me.
Yes thanks Gldn.
To me it's very simple:
Everything I see can be explained by science.
You see all the same stuff I see and call it God.
That's the long and the short of it. No fluff, no embellishment.
I think I'm done here. Maybe with this thread at least.
Isn't it coincidental that the vast majority of all the humans that have ever existed have been intuitively predisposed to be able to "catch a vibe" that leads them to perceive the existence of God?
It has been so universal, in all times, environments, and circumstances...you'd almost think that we were connected to that vibe in some way!
Except that "god" is often perceived VERY differently (or not at all) in some cultures. Must be a lot of different gods, I guess.
My consciousness, intellect, intuition, wisdom, and common sense.
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Originally Posted by Salty Water
So, to be clear, Pantheism, at least in your case, is 100% internally-fabricated with no sensory input, i.e. observations?
BTW, none of the above are senses.
Everything is "internally-fabricated" Salty...through consciousness, thought, and intellect.
Even the 5 physical senses are dependent upon the info they give us to be fabricated internally.
It was actually a simple process.
Through my sense of sight & hearing and my intellect...I read/heard the data/info as to the definition/meaning of the word/term "G-O-D", and what it represents...and I was able to learn that (among other meanings) it meant/represented The Supreme or Ultimate Reality and Something of Supreme Value.
My senses and intellect easily helped me gain the knowledge that Reality objectively exists and that it is Something of Supreme Value...and, thus, "God".
That's the long and the short of it. No fluff, no embellishment.
I think I'm done here. Maybe with this thread at least.
Cheers.
There ya go.
To me he calls the vastly more complex system god. Most people's commonsense supports the vastly more complex system. How a person shows reverence is not my thing.
I am an observation only kind of guy. Its far simpler than making up atheist creeds that tell us how to feel about religion. To me any way, but we all have reverence to something I guess.
Everything is "internally-fabricated" Salty...through consciousness, thought, and intellect.
Even the 5 physical senses are dependent upon the info they give us to be fabricated internally.
It was actually a simple process.
Through my sense of sight & hearing and my intellect...I read/heard the data/info as to the definition/meaning of the word/term "G-O-D", and what it represents...and I was able to learn that (among other meanings) it meant/represented The Supreme or Ultimate Reality and Something of Supreme Value.
My senses and intellect easily helped me gain the knowledge that Reality objectively exists and that it is Something of Supreme Value...and, thus, "God".
If it works for you in whatever way that makes your life, better, easier or more-fulfilling, bless you. For me, a bit too nebulous to be taken seriously.
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